X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 07:49:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.3] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5066234 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:56:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.3; envelope-from=danny.miller@verizon.net Received: from DannyLaptop ([unknown] [71.114.3.85]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LP100MZPIDGBW6G@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 05:56:06 -0500 (CDT) From: "Danny Miller" X-Original-To: "'Luke Alcorn'" , References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: Correction on IFR/VFR flight plans X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 06:56:01 -0400 X-Original-Message-id: <003101cc4d14$f122dbe0$d36893a0$@miller@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01CC4CF3.6A113BE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcxMWQXMOY2qqme5T0WiwbETVL6iKAAu80OQ This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CC4CF3.6A113BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good info Luke. Thanks. =20 Danny Miller N 38=C2=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=C2=B0 30' 38.6" =20 From: Luke Alcorn [mailto:lalcorn@natca.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 8:31 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: Correction on IFR/VFR flight plans =20 If you still want to activate a Vfr flight plan you would also need to = file a Vfr flight plan and then open and close it with flight service. = If you are on flight following there is really no reason to also do a = Vfr flight plan. If you go down the search and rescue timeline is much = better on flight following than FSS waiting until you are 30 minutes = overdue at your destination and then they start looking.=20 Luke Alcorn On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:13 AM, "Danny Miller" = wrote: Luke, If I use this procedure, do I still have to open my flight plan with the = FSS or is automatically opened in the same manner as an IFR flight plan? =20 Danny Miller N 38=C2=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=C2=B0 30' 38.6" =20 From: lalcorn@natca.net [mailto:lalcorn@natca.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:48 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Correction on IFR/VFR flight plans =20 I miss spoke on my previous post about how to file the VFR flight plan = to get it in the system 100% of the time. If you use DUATS/DUAT, you = will need to select IFR domestic or ICAO flight plan. Then enter the = altitude as VFR/075 or what ever your cruise altitude will be. VFR/115 = VFR/165 etc. By selecting the IFR flight plan, that will send it to = the center computer which will put it in the IFR system. If you select = VFR flight plan, it sends it to FSS's computer, which will not enter it = in the centers computer. When ever you file the flight plan, the = message DUATS sends back will tell you where it went when it filled it. = The center computers names all start with a Z, i.e. ZJX is jacksonville = center, ZTL is atlanta center, ZFW is fort worth center, etc. If you = see the message, filled with MCN or GNV, that means the flight plan was = filled as a VFR only and went into the FSS computer, which does not send = the flight plan into the ATC system. I tried this with fltplan.com and = it will not let you select a VFR altitude for an IFR flight plan, so I = do not know if it can be done through that site, but I don't use = fltplan.com so I can not be sure. I have tested this at work and it works great every time. It also puts = a flight plan sitting in our departure list, so when you call ATC up for = flight following, we already have all of your information. =20 Luke Alcorn NATCA ZJX Safety Rep ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01CC4CF3.6A113BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good info = Luke.=C2=A0 Thanks.

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Danny = Miller

N 38=C2=B0 43' = 25.7"

W 77=C2=B0 30' = 38.6"

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From: Luke = Alcorn [mailto:lalcorn@natca.net]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 = 8:31 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Re: Correction on IFR/VFR = flight plans

 

If you still want to activate a Vfr flight = plan you would also need to file a Vfr flight plan and then open and = close it with flight service. If you are on flight following there is = really no reason to also do a Vfr flight plan. If you go down the search = and rescue timeline is much better on flight following than FSS waiting = until you are 30 minutes overdue at your destination and then they start = looking. 


Luke = Alcorn


On Jul 27, 2011, at 7:13 AM, = "Danny Miller" <danny.miller@verizon.net>= wrote:

Luke,

If I use this procedure, do I = still have to open my flight plan with the FSS or is automatically = opened in the same manner as an IFR flight = plan?

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Danny = Miller

N 38=C2=B0 43' = 25.7"

W 77=C2=B0 30' = 38.6"

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From: lalcorn@natca.net = [mailto:lalcorn@natca.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:48 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: Correction on IFR/VFR = flight plans

 

I miss spoke = on my previous post about how to file the VFR flight plan to get it in = the system 100% of the time.  If you use DUATS/DUAT, you will need = to select IFR domestic or ICAO flight plan.  Then enter the = altitude as VFR/075  or what ever your cruise altitude will = be.  VFR/115 VFR/165  etc.  By selecting the IFR flight = plan, that will send it to the center computer which will put it in the = IFR system.  If you select VFR flight plan, it sends it to FSS's = computer, which will not enter it in the centers computer.  When = ever you file the flight plan, the message DUATS sends back will tell = you where it went when it filled it.  The center computers names = all start with a Z, i.e. ZJX is jacksonville center, ZTL is atlanta = center, ZFW is fort worth center, etc.  If you see the message, = filled with MCN or GNV, that means the flight plan was filled as a VFR = only and went into the FSS computer, which does not send the flight plan = into the ATC system.  I tried this with fltplan.com and it will not let you = select a VFR altitude for an IFR flight plan, so I do not know if it can = be done through that site, but I don't use fltplan.com so I can not be = sure.

I have = tested this at work and it works great every time.  It also puts a = flight plan sitting in our departure list, so when you call ATC up for = flight following, we already have all of your = information.

 =

Luke = Alcorn
NATCA ZJX Safety = Rep

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