X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2011 08:40:06 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.68] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5045466 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 00:19:17 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.68; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=YwkmXGfKkJ4AAzEIYb31PbA8qcm2F6dPL15W/88HKAG4ru1JJDJVEfd+xuc/tPk1; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.20.47.122] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Qf2WX-00080g-SN for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 00:18:42 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-121--1068443868 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: another Lancair X-Original-Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 00:18:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9409634d2c77816ff327bd3d5154a84cf20350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.20.47.122 --Apple-Mail-121--1068443868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I think Jeff tracks them. for me it would really helpful to be able to recreate at each step what = it might have looked like to the pilot in question as it unfolded. ...more than just the statistics: this many died because of fuel = exhaustion, this many died because of flying into a thunderstorm. with just the stats, we can all easily say we would never do that. On Jul 7, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Mark Steitle wrote: > Steve,=20 >=20 > I agree, the pilot community lost another great guy. Even if he was a = jerk, we still need to solve this riddle. Is LOBO following up on each = of these crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)? = If not, we'll continue to be having these conversations until we = eventually run out of pilots, or airplanes. >=20 > Mark=20 >=20 > On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell = wrote: > =20 >=20 > I would sure would like to know why all of these "certified engines" = are quitting on takeoff. =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Mark S.=20 >=20 > Maybe the engine driven fuel pump is failing. We are running low = boost continuously in case the engine pump fails and to address fuel = pressure issues at altitude, hot fuel, vapor lock and other problems. =20= >=20 > I understand the engine will not make full power on low boost (reduce = manifold pressure and settle for less power?) =20 >=20 > Or, it might quit if high boost is on and the mixture is not adjusted. = =20 >=20 > Since engine driven pump failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel = delivery, it would seem using the low boost continuously could solve or = make these problems manageable. =20 >=20 > Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two physicals. He was a very likeable guy = who built one of the early IV=92s and had over 1000 hours on it. We = talked to him about joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In.=20 >=20 > Given the more knowledgeable than usual witness account, could = training have changed this outcome? >=20 > Steve Legacy IO550 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-121--1068443868 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = think Jeff tracks them.

for me it would really helpful to be able to = recreate at each step what it might have looked like to the pilot in = question as it unfolded.

...more than just the statistics: = this many died because of fuel exhaustion, this many died because of = flying into a thunderstorm.

with just the stats, we can all = easily say we would never do that.

On Jul 7, = 2011, at 5:59 PM, Mark Steitle wrote:

Steve,

I agree, the pilot = community lost another great guy. Even if he was a jerk, we still = need to solve this riddle. Is LOBO following up on each of these = crashes to learn what the experts determine to be the cause(s)? If = not, we'll continue to be having these conversations until we eventually = run out of pilots, or airplanes.

Mark

On Wed, = Jul 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Steve Colwell <mcmess1919@yahoo.com> = wrote:

I would sure would like to know why all of these = "certified engines" are quitting on takeoff. =

Mark = S.
Maybe the engine driven fuel = pump is failing. We are running low boost continuously in case the = engine pump fails and to address fuel pressure issues at altitude, hot = fuel, vapor lock and other problems.
I understand the engine will = not make full power on low boost (reduce manifold pressure and settle = for less power?)
Or, it might quit if high boost = is on and the mixture is not adjusted. =
Since engine driven pump = failure, heat and altitude all affect fuel delivery, it would seem using = the low boost continuously could solve or make these problems = manageable.
Dr. Lyle Koen did our last two = physicals. He was a very likeable guy who built one of the early = IV=92s and had over 1000 hours on it. We talked to him about = joining LOBO and coming to the Branson Fly-In. =
Given the more knowledgeable = than usual witness account, could training have changed this = outcome?
Steve Legacy = IO550

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