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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNC4 Performance
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Terrence,

Doug answered this quite well. One point of the course is you should not=
 operate in the "RED BOX" where cylinder temperatures and pressures are at=
 their highest. This occurs when the cylinder is operated at/ near "peak=
 EGT" and at high power settings (and a couple of other variables) which=
 is why Doug referred you to the course and literature. I highly recommend=
 the course.

Best Regards,

Jeff








-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Brunner <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 7:50 am
Subject: [LML] Re: LNC4 Performance



Terrence,
=20
LOP starts when the mixture is LOP of course! =20
=20
Sorry, for the smart ass response.  There are a number of good article on=
 engine management and LOP operation written by John Deakin on =E2=80=9CPe=
lican=E2=80=99s Perch=E2=80=9D on avweb.
=20
There is also an excellent course on engine management given by the GAMI=
 folks called =E2=80=9CAdvanced Pilot Seminars=E2=80=9D - http://www.advan=
cedpilot.com/  I took it and learned a lot.
=20
The short answer to your question is that you want to be approximately 50=
 deg LOP in most situations and it is best if all your cylinders are LOP=
 to the same degree. =20
=20
Doug Brunner
N241DB
=20
=20
=20
Jeff,
=20

May I ask for a  little more detail on when the LOP condition starts?  Do=
 all EGTs have to be LOPP, or is it when just the leanest one goes?  And,=
 how lean constitutes enough to be considered LOP?
=20

Thanks,

terrence

L235/I-320



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<div>Terrence,</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Doug answered this quite well. One point of the course is you should=
 not operate in the "RED BOX" where cylinder temperatures and pressures ar=
e at their highest. This occurs when the cylinder is operated at/ near "pe=
ak EGT" and at high power settings (and a couple of other variables) which=
 is why Doug referred you to the course&nbsp;and literature. I highly reco=
mmend the course.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Best Regards,</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Jeff</div>


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>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Douglas Brunner &lt;douglasbrunner@earthlink.net&gt;<br>
To: lml@lancaironline.net<br>
Sent: Tue, Nov 2, 2010 7:50 am<br>
Subject: [LML] Re: LNC4 Performance<br>
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<div class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
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urse!&nbsp; </SPAN></div>


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T-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">&nbsp;</SPAN></div>


<div class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Sorry, for the smart ass response.&nbsp;=
 There are a number of good article on engine management and LOP operation=
 written by John Deakin on =E2=80=9CPelican=E2=80=99s Perch=E2=80=9D on av=
web.</SPAN></div>


<div class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
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<div class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">There is also an excellent course on eng=
ine management given by the GAMI folks called =E2=80=9CAdvanced Pilot Semi=
nars=E2=80=9D - <A href=3D"http://www.advancedpilot.com/" target=3D_blank>=
http://www.advancedpilot.com/</A>&nbsp; I took it and learned a lot.</SPAN=
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<div class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
T-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The short answer to your question is tha=
t you want to be approximately 50 deg LOP in most situations and it is bes=
t if all your cylinders are LOP to the same degree.&nbsp; </SPAN></div>


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<div class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
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<div class=3DMsoNormal>Jeff,</div>


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<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal>May I ask for a &nbsp;little more detail on when th=
e LOP condition starts? &nbsp;Do all EGTs have to be LOPP, or is it when=
 just the leanest one goes? &nbsp;And, how lean constitutes enough to be=
 considered LOP?</div>


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T-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">&nbsp;</SPAN></div>
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<div class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,</div>
</div>


<div>

<div class=3DMsoNormal>terrence</div>
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<div class=3DMsoNormal>L235/I-320</div>
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