X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 07:47:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4549689 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:14:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rn8utmvgZv4GtVPTysDcf3e8UqD8Dr2eLwjs1bjC2xwYr1kxwfFZfwGsa2P6o881; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.85] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PCjtv-0006In-Ue for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:13:36 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 10 Tips to Conserve iPad Battery Life From: Colyn Case In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:13:35 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: <2C0694D0-9914-49B8-8B38-E8D19A32CBE0@earthlink.net> References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9400baf4573c6dfc007a156322637b0ea89350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.85 thanks Hamid - useful. On Oct 31, 2010, at 9:41 PM, Hamid Wasti wrote: > JAMES COLLINS wrote: >> Quoting from the Cardinal list: I had an aftermarket iPhone charger = that >> caught on fire in my car; that's a bad thing. > That is a really vague piece of information and not really useful = without some more detail. What kind of an aftermarket charger? What was = he doing with it? >=20 > Not all aftermarket products are the same. Not all aftermarket = chargers are the same. There is some really bad no-name stuff from China = as well as decently designed & manufactured stuff from reputable US and = EU companies (though still manufactured in China). Lumping them all into = the same category is not reasonable. >=20 > I can not tell you what is safe to use, but I can tell you what is NOT = safe to use. If you buy a charger off eBay for $4 including shipping, = chances are that what you are getting is neither safe nor capable of = meeting all the specs. >=20 > Here's a brief tutorial about this subject, for those that are = interested. I have to start with a bunch of seemingly random background = information that will all come together in the end: >=20 > The USB 2.0 spec specifies that a USB device can draw up to 500mA = (5W). However, it must start off drawing no more than 100mA (0.5W) and = ask for permission from the hub to draw more than that. In real life, = many devices, especially ones that are using the USB port just for power = or charging, blatant ignore this and just start drawing 500mA (5W) or = sometimes even more. >=20 > The USB 2.0 spec specifies that a USB hub be able to provide at least = 100mA on every port and up to 500mA on some or all ports at the = manufacturers' discretion. In real life, most SUB ports found on = computers and hubs are capable of providing quite a bit more than 500mA. >=20 > After the USB2.0 spec was finalized, a Battery Charging spec was added = to it in 2007. This defined, among other things, a "Dedicated Charging = Port" that can deliver up to 1.8A or 9W. According to this spec, when a = USB device detects that it is plugged into a Dedicated Charging Port by = looking at the state of the two USB data signals, it can start drawing = up to 9W of power without talking to the hub. >=20 > Most typical cell phones require about 5W to operate and charge their = batteries at the same time. I suspect that many of the really cheap = aftermarket "USB Chargers" intended for use with cell phones are = designed to provide about 5W of power. >=20 > According to the iPad spec from Apple = (http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/), the iPad has a 25W battery which = gives it about 10 hours of use which comes to a power consumption of = about 2.5W This means that when an iPad is connected to a standard USB = 2.0 port, it can operate normally but not able to charge its battery. >=20 > According to Apple's website, the iPad comes with a "10W USB Power = Adapter" charger. This suggests that the iPad is capable of detecting = when it is connected to a "Dedicated Charging Port" and can draw up to = 9W. >=20 > I suspect that if you connect the iPad to a charger that advertises = itself as a "Dedicated Charging Port" on the USB data signals, the iPad = will draw close to 9W until its batteries are charged. It will also draw = its operating power from this port. If you are using a properly designed = charger from any manufacturer that lives up to the spec, you should not = have a problem. If you use a cheap aftermarket charger that is designed = to provide 5W because that is what most cell phones need, you are likely = to have problems. I have no idea how these problems will manifest = themselves. It could be no charging at all, it could be a failed charger = or it could be a fire. >=20 > I hope this clears up some mysteries about this subject. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Hamid >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html