X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com ([209.85.212.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4471858 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 13:53:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.212.52; envelope-from=dave.saylor.aircrafters@gmail.com Received: by vws14 with SMTP id 14so3375229vws.25 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=SHXTuNaV6GGtSj1rLCrmRtlxTZshHGaNQQU6YfZ28CYaY+W/L2lUitd+mtGzKzld9g yf4o0AW1Z0RAaSr0aT5ePqHRhwFQ5j11cuiSMHhdrS/WsixFVUOVYjENHg9qVeiO1cWR 8CaKKdeixg0J9KPkBFEALMgnZNRikbaT873Hg= Received: by 10.220.129.13 with SMTP id m13mr3215814vcs.132.1284832367219; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.163.4 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:52:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Dave Saylor X-Original-Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 10:52:17 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 360 N33AN document question X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887b1bd8158a04908c58f8 --e0cb4e887b1bd8158a04908c58f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Danny, The last time I saw 33AN was about a year ago. I did a pre-purchase inspection on it and recommended strongly that my customer keep looking. Apparently he took my advice since it appears to still be for sale by the same person. I have a long history with the airplane, including being sued for causing a gear-up landing, but that's another story (the arbitrator later asked me to work on his plane--draw your own conclusions...). Still, I think I can be objective. When I did the prepurchase last year, the log books were with the plane. Some time after my initial involvment, the plane had at least one collapsed nose gear. Before that I recall that it had some long entries that seemed like some very extensive airframe work, but I don't recall the details. Th= e plane has had long periods of down time. Be very careful with that airplane. It's had a lot of work since we worked on it last. There should be a ton of info in the logbooks. Unless alot has changed since the last time I saw it, 33AN looks like a plane for a person who's looking for a project. Dave Saylor AirCrafters 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 Shop 831-750-0284 Cell On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Bryan Wullner wrote: > Skip the Zero's and look at the Heros. You will be better off in the long > run. > > On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Colyn Case wrot= e: > >> I wouldn't. I would want a complete photo history with closeups at ever= y >> stage of the build + a detailed listing of who did what including the en= gine >> overhaul and engine install. >> A conscientious builder tends to do all that anyway. >> There are plenty of really good airplanes for sale with docs. >> >> You are relying a lot on the attitude/craftsmanship/knowledge of the >> people that touched the airplane. If you can't identify and characteri= ze >> them, then you don't really know what you are getting. >> >> Colyn >> >> On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:51 PM, danny.miller@verizon.net wrote: >> >> This airplane is available on barnstormers.com and elsewhere. It >> appears to be a pretty nice airplane, nicely equipped for a reasonable >> price. However, it comes with no factory or builder documentation >> whatsoever, and that concerns me. Am I being overly cautious or concern= ed >> about nothing? Would any of you buy a used experimental with no docs? >> >> *LANCAIR 360 IFR* >> =E2=80=A2 $72,000 =E2=80=A2 *FOR SALE BY OWNER* =E2=80=A2 Lancair 360 (= 1994) IFR. TT 554 hrs =E2=80=93 >> IO 360 rebuild with new prop 20 hrs. Paint and inside 10/10. 200+ TAS. >> Equipment includes HSI, Stec, 3 axis autopilot, Angle of Attack, King 89= b >> GPS, Lowrance 2000 GPS, KX 155 radio, KX 125 radio, KT 76c transponder, = JPI >> 740 engine monitor. Large outback gear, new Cleveland brakes. Always >> hangered. >> >> Thanks, >> Danny >> Still looking for the right plane. >> >> -- >> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.h= tml >> >> >> > --e0cb4e887b1bd8158a04908c58f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Danny,

The last time I saw 33AN was about a year ago.=C2=A0 I did a = pre-purchase inspection on it and recommended strongly that my customer kee= p looking.=C2=A0 Apparently he took my advice since it appears to still be = for sale by the same person.

I have a long history with the airplane, including being sued for causi= ng a gear-up landing, but that's another story (the arbitrator later as= ked me to work on his plane--draw your own conclusions...).=C2=A0 Still, I = think I can be objective.

When I did the prepurchase last year, the log books were with the plane= .=C2=A0 Some time after my initial involvment, the plane had at least one c= ollapsed nose gear.=C2=A0 Before that I recall that it had some long entrie= s that seemed like some very extensive airframe work, but I don't recal= l the details.=C2=A0 The plane has had long periods of down time.

Be very careful with that airplane.=C2=A0 It's had a lot of work si= nce we worked on it last.=C2=A0 There should be a ton of info in the logboo= ks.

Unless alot has changed since the last time I saw it, 33AN looks= like a plane for a person who's looking for a project.

Dave Saylor
AirCrafters
140 Aviation Way
Watsonv= ille, CA 95076
831-722-9141 Shop
831-750-0284 Cell


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Bryan W= ullner <vonjet@gma= il.com> wrote:
Skip the Zero's and look at the Heros. You will be better off in the lo= ng run.

On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> wrote:
I wouldn't. =C2=A0I would want a = complete photo history with closeups at every stage of the build + a detail= ed listing of who did what including the engine overhaul and engine install= .=20
A conscientious builder tends to do all that anyway.
There are plenty of really good airplanes for sale with docs.

You are relying a lot on the attitude/craftsmanship/knowledge of the p= eople that touched the airplane. =C2=A0 If you can't identify and chara= cterize them, then you don't really know what you are getting.

Colyn

On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:51 PM, danny.miller@verizon.net wrote:

This airplane is available on=C2=A0barnstormers.com=C2=A0and= elsewhere.=C2=A0 It appears to be a pretty nice airplane, nicely equipped = for a reasonable price.=C2=A0 However, it comes with no factory or builder = documentation whatsoever, and that concerns me.=C2=A0 Am I being overly cau= tious or concerned about nothing?=C2=A0 Would any of you buy a used experim= ental with no docs?

LANCAIR 360 IFR=C2=A0=E2=80=A2 $72,0= 00 =E2=80=A2=C2=A0FOR SALE BY OWNER= =C2=A0=E2=80=A2=C2=A0Lancair 360 (1= 994) IFR. TT 554 hrs =E2=80=93 IO 360 rebuild with new prop 20 hrs. Paint a= nd inside 10/10. 200+ TAS. Equipment includes HSI, Stec, 3 axis autopilot, = Angle of Attack, King 89b GPS, Lowrance 2000 GPS, KX 155 radio, KX 125 radi= o, KT 76c transponder, JPI 740 engine monitor. Large outback gear, new Clev= eland brakes. Always hangered.

Thanks,
Danny
Still looking for the right plane.

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