X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:40:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com ([66.196.100.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with SMTP id 4472361 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:30:27 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.196.100.80; envelope-from=casey.gary@yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28098 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Sep 2010 11:29:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=POcgMseed7pHJRkJOdE0oaDMMz1DHQWBygSih26taE8H54Lej/5JMBLJnUK873Q8NMC2tWZPtySwJkxgqy4eao3LLLjbC5ik1rRl1F1Rhrt1Ntrf4juPl/bD0WlV89I0gLzzHXgwHSBqOfuq1CMDMYeEgMF3/PNYjKKh8TzRYKs=; X-Original-Message-ID: <347216.26501.qm@web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3MGQeMQVM1nbKp6yxZRnHbk2WhQmQBwU8NTkmRSnWs4O5Ij i4NlUDru9llgtKIWXh0i1jTOMtNIBuSo.lqvgD_vkSpVQv5JrJv6fHTx_OeZ Kv._mLhNXL9lq9HFrmjy5o7JhqCy7HcgP4_7mgIshGH1c3EgEaiEHqi.JYuV vvm1ocSAXgrkoZaP5mLWiBjIwZGX57VoJ0eNGFYl.gyN6VYU6.KqDQjWXOh_ 3DKEHwtZIRBmD5EyE1f6ymw-- Received: from [97.122.184.158] by web57513.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 04:29:50 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/497 YahooMailWebService/0.8.105.279950 References: X-Original-Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 04:29:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Casey Subject: Re: N33AN document question X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1943406477-1284895790=:26501" --0-1943406477-1284895790=:26501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My advice, not being an expert in the field, is probably worth even less than Rob's, but I agree with him. I have the original instruction manual with various check marks and notes from when I built mine, but I don't know what the next owner could get out of that. I have a list of parts that was put into the engine by Lycon, but nothing on the engine before that. I'm sure a complete set of documentation is worth something, but how much? The most useful thing I've put together is a semi-complete parts list of the common parts that went into mine. The airplane is an inanimate object and knows nothing of its history - it works or it doesn't. I'll bet that almost all 40-year-old production plane has lots of things that don't show up in the logbooks, and we fly them without worry. I'd get a good inspection from a Lancair expert and go from there. Maybe only one cent's worth of opinion. Gary ES157 I have to disagree with Colyn on this one. The aircraft was obviously sound in initial workmanship as evidenced by the fact that it has flown for 15 years. You do not mention the total hours but I assume it's in the hundreds or maybe approaching a thousand. What you need to be concerned about is, for lack of a better phrase, wear and tear. This should be apparent to a qualified inspector. I'd recommend having someone familiar with the Lancair, but that's probably not essential. You might have a local A&P doing a pre-buy inspection call the factory, or one of the guys at RDD or Aircrafters, or someone like that, for advice on what to look for. In your shoes I would be willing to pay a fee for the half-hour of their time to share this expertise with your local A&P. There may be some unique features where the Lancair ages less gracefully than other airplanes, such as the attachment of the nose gear drag link to the strut, are the factory service bulletins complied with (available on line), and so forth. There are other issues, such as was the self-centering mod done to the nose strut, which came around after the aircraft was built. On these matters it would help to have a Lanair-familiar dude look at it. But I would not shy away from this airplane simply because there is no photo album of the build in progress. That's my two cents, which is probably all my advice is worth anyway... For what it's worth, I have very detailed records of how I have spent my time and money on the airplane, but very few pictures. - Rob Wolf --0-1943406477-1284895790=:26501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
My advice, not being an expert in the field, is probably worth even less than Rob's, but I agree with him.  I have the original instruction manual with various check marks and notes from when I built mine, but I don't know what the next owner could get out of that.  I have a list of parts that was put into the engine by Lycon, but nothing on the engine before that.  I'm sure a complete set of documentation is worth something, but how much?  The most useful thing I've put together is a semi-complete parts list of the common parts that went into mine.  The airplane is an inanimate object and knows nothing of its history - it works or it doesn't.  I'll bet that almost all 40-year-old production plane has lots of things that don't show up in the logbooks, and we fly them without worry.  I'd get a good inspection from a Lancair expert and go from there.  Maybe only one cent's worth of opinion.
Gary
ES157

I have to disagree with Colyn on this one.  The aircraft was obviously sound in initial workmanship as evidenced by the fact that it has flown for 15 years.  You do not mention the total hours but I assume it's in the hundreds or maybe approaching a thousand.  What you need to be concerned about is, for lack of a better phrase, wear and tear.  This should be apparent to a qualified inspector.
 
I'd recommend having someone familiar with the Lancair, but that's probably not essential.  You might have a local A&P doing a pre-buy inspection call the factory, or one of the guys at RDD or Aircrafters, or someone like that, for advice on what to look for.  In your shoes I would be willing to pay a fee for the half-hour of their time to share this expertise with your local A&P.
 
There may be some unique features where the Lancair ages less gracefully than other airplanes, such as the attachment of the nose gear drag link to the strut, are the factory service bulletins complied with (available on line), and so forth.  There are other issues, such as was the self-centering mod done to the nose strut, which came around after the aircraft was built.  On these matters it would help to have a Lanair-familiar dude look at it.  But I would not shy away from this airplane simply because there is no photo album of the build in progress.
 
That's my two cents, which is probably all my advice is worth anyway...
 
For what it's worth, I have very detailed records of how I have spent my time and money on the airplane, but very few pictures.
 
- Rob Wolf

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