X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:46:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s52.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.54.51.89] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4367198 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:16:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.51.89; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from SNT112-DS8 ([65.55.90.135]) by snt0-omc3-s52.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:16:05 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [24.216.229.86] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Odyssey batteries info X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:16:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CB122E.98904B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 In-Reply-To: Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:16:04 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.00.0070.1500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2010 00:16:05.0364 (UTC) FILETIME=[454B9B40:01CB1269] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CB122E.98904B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting info Robert. Thanks. Regarding Item #2. I have been using a Battery Tender since first = flight in 1999. I replaced the original Odyssey battery after nines = years of use. It was still going strong, but just got a little nervous = after that time period. Wow, just think how long it would last if I had = been using their recommended charger instead of the Battery Tender? Gary Edwards LNC2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lancair=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: [LML] Odyssey batteries info The folks at EnerSys/Odyssey Batteries had some additional info on the PC680 batteries: =20 1.) If you plan a firewall mounting beware of the temperature = limitation for their plastic version PC680: "Metal jackets are required for operating temperatures above 113F = which is the max operating temperature of the PC680 without it. It is a = little conservative but these batteries were not originally produced for the powersports industry and the higher temperatures that are often associated with those types of applications. The issue being that the plastic of the bottom case can become soft and can distort and bulge = at higher temps and the metal jacket prevents that." Odyssey does = produce the PC680 with a metal housing. The size is larger by about 3 to 4mm for both the length and width. Overall dimensions in the printed literature are 184.7mm by 79.0mm with the metal jacket. 2.) Odyssey reccomends against using a Battery Tender brand and = similar units to recharge and to top their batteries. The cycling is less than optimal and would result in a shorter battery life. The sugegested I contact Bob Besch at Interacter, Inc. who produces 12V, 24V, 36V, and 48V chargers that can be programmed with an ODYSSEY chip. For a 24v = buss they suggest a 7A, 24V charger. Part number is their Professional Series PS2408-Odyssey. Bob's number is (203) 630-0199. List price is $180 but for Lancairians the pre-Oshkosh sale price is $145. Limited time only, etc. etc. etc. Details from their Web site = (http://www.interacter.com): Our PS charger utililizes our patented "3 Stage Plus" technology to interact with the battery and provide exactly the right amount of charge. Interacter "3 Stage Plus" charging technology eliminates undercharging, overcharging, or damage to the battery, and is = completely safe. The Interacter PS can be used to recharge virtually any type lead-acid battery including conventional liquid electrolyte, maintenance-free absorbed electrolyte, deep-cycle,=20 and gelled type batteries.=20 =20 Interacter's microprocessor circuitry with patented program in EPROM, controls four separate charging stages: FIRST: A constant current bulk charge is applied to achieve the = fastest possible return of energy to the battery. SECOND: This constant voltage stage is proportionally timed and temperature compensated, minimizing electrolyte breakdown and gas emission. THIRD: The final standby float charge stage will replace standing = losses and keep the battery in a fully charged state & "Ready". PLUS: As soon as the battery is connected, a de-sulfation circuit encourages the breakdown of large sulfate crystals which can develop during prolonged periods of deep discharge. Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CB122E.98904B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting info Robert.  Thanks.
 
Regarding Item #2.  I have been using a Battery Tender since = first=20 flight in 1999.  I replaced the original Odyssey battery after = nines years=20 of use.  It was still going strong, but just got a little nervous = after=20 that time period.  Wow, just think how long it would last if I had = been=20 using their recommended charger instead of the Battery = Tender?
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2
  
----- Original Message -----
From: Lancair
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 = 10:43=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Odyssey = batteries=20 info

The folks at EnerSys/Odyssey Batteries had some = additional info=20 on the
PC680 batteries:
 
1.) If you plan a firewall = mounting=20 beware of the temperature limitation
for their plastic version=20 PC680:
"Metal jackets are required for operating temperatures above = 113F=20 which
is the max operating temperature of the PC680 without it. It = is a=20 little
conservative but these batteries were not originally = produced for=20 the
powersports industry and the higher temperatures that are=20 often
associated with those types of applications. The issue being = that=20 the
plastic of the bottom case can become soft and can distort and = bulge=20 at
higher temps and the metal jacket prevents that."  Odyssey = does=20 produce
the PC680 with a metal housing.  The size is larger by = about 3=20 to 4mm
for both the length and width. Overall dimensions in the=20 printed
literature are 184.7mm by 79.0mm with the metal = jacket.

2.)=20 Odyssey reccomends against using a Battery Tender brand and = similar
units=20 to recharge and to top their batteries. The cycling is less = than
optimal=20 and would result in a shorter battery life.  The sugegested = I
contact=20 Bob Besch at Interacter, Inc. who produces 12V, 24V, 36V, and
48V = chargers=20 that can be programmed with an ODYSSEY chip. For a 24v buss
they = suggest a=20 7A, 24V charger.  Part number is their Professional
Series=20 PS2408-Odyssey.  Bob's number is (203) 630-0199.  List price = is
$180 but for Lancairians the pre-Oshkosh sale price is = $145. =20 Limited
time only, etc. etc. etc.

Details from their Web = site (http://www.interacter.com):
Our PS=20 charger utililizes our patented "3 Stage Plus" technology = to
interact with=20 the battery and provide exactly the right amount of
charge. = Interacter "3=20 Stage Plus" charging technology eliminates
undercharging, = overcharging, or=20 damage to the battery, and is completely
safe. The Interacter PS = can be=20 used to recharge virtually any type
lead-acid battery including=20 conventional liquid electrolyte,
maintenance-free absorbed = electrolyte,=20 deep-cycle,
and gelled type batteries.
 
Interacter's = microprocessor circuitry with patented program in EPROM,
controls = four=20 separate charging stages:
FIRST: A constant current bulk charge is = applied=20 to achieve the fastest
possible return of energy to the = battery.
SECOND:=20 This constant voltage stage is proportionally timed and
temperature = compensated, minimizing electrolyte breakdown and = gas
emission.
THIRD:=20 The final standby float charge stage will replace standing = losses
and keep=20 the battery in a fully charged state & "Ready".
PLUS: As soon = as the=20 battery is connected, a de-sulfation circuit
encourages the = breakdown of=20 large sulfate crystals which can develop
during prolonged periods = of deep=20 discharge.

Robert M. Simon
ES-P=20 N301ES

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