X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:32:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s21.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.96] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3816980 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:34:49 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.96; envelope-from=cgainza@msn.com Received: from BLU112-W8 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s21.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:34:14 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: cgainza@msn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_260442b3-9a39-47a2-ac4e-990601831097_" X-Originating-IP: [32.177.79.101] From: Craig Gainza X-Original-To: Lancair List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: OSH arrival X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:34:14 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Aug 2009 16:34:14.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[B92F12C0:01CA2021] --_260442b3-9a39-47a2-ac4e-990601831097_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The warbird arrival is the best way to go. We call in black and white Lanc= air over Fond du Lac and have never been questioned. This year they asked = us if we could keep our speed up in front of the mass arrival of 40+ RV's. = No problem! We were out of the airplane at Aeroshell square before the RV's landed. Craig and Sandy Gainza IV-P =20 To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue=2C 18 Aug 2009 11:24:00 -0400 From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 nope--not at all=20 -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case at earthlink To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon=2C Aug 17=2C 2009 6:52 am Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 do you actually have to lie to get the warbird arrival? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wendell Solesbee=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday=2C August 16=2C 2009 3:49 PM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 I used the warbird arrival this year with no problems. I reported at Fond d= u Lac and again at Warbird Island and was cleared to land on runway 36. Oth= er than a 20 kt crosswind there were no problems. IN 2008 when using the FI= SK arrival I had to go around three times. When I tried to extend out to gi= ve myself some room someone would cut in front of me.On the last go around = I passed a bonanza on about a one mile final and landed ahead of him. That = experience made me decide to use the warbird arrival the next year and it w= orked great. =20 =20 Wendell Solesbee IVP N4LK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Brunner=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday=2C August 16=2C 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 Bill=2C =20 I absolutely agree with you. I avoid flying into Oshkosh and Sun n Fun for= much the same reasons as you detail below. =20 Tried to get the warbird arrival last year. I even arranged it with the to= wer at Fond du Lac. On my way in to Oshkosh=2C I was asked if I was a Warb= ird - I honestly told them I was not - they told me I could not have the wa= rbird arrival. I then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - they asked me i= f I was a turbine - again I replied honestly and they told me I could not h= ave the "turbine arrival". I was forced to make a short pattern and land o= n the taxiway - which actually worked OK. =20 I don't think the Oshkosh controllers have any idea about the V speeds of t= he planes they are controlling. Their emphasis is on getting everyone in a= s quickly as possible whether safely or not. =20 =20 = --_260442b3-9a39-47a2-ac4e-990601831097_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The warbird arrival is the best way to go. =3B We call in black and whi= te Lancair over Fond du Lac and have never been questioned. =3B This ye= ar they asked us if we could keep our speed up in front of the mass arrival= of 40+ RV's. =3B No problem!

We were out of the airplane at Aer= oshell square before the RV's landed.

Craig and Sandy Gainza
IV-P=  =3B

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date:= Tue=2C 18 Aug 2009 11:24:00 -0400
From: vtailjeff@aol.com
Subject: [= LML] Re: OSH arrival

nope--not at all


-----Original Message-----
From: Colyn Case at earthlink <=3Bcolyncase@earthlink.net>=3B
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon=2C Aug 17=2C 2009 6:52 am
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

do you actually have to lie to get the= warbird arrival?
---= -- Original Message -----
= Sent: Sunday=2C August 16=2C 2009 3:49 PM
= Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

I used the warbird arrival this year w= ith no problems. I reported at Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and = was cleared to land on runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there were n= o problems. IN 2008 =3Bwhen using the FISK arrival I had to go around t= hree times. When I tried to extend out to give myself some room someone wou= ld cut in front of me.On the last go around =3BI passed a bonanza on&nb= sp=3Babout a =3Bone mile final and landed ahead of him. That experience= made me decide to use the warbird arrival =3Bthe next year and it work= ed great. =3B =3B
 =3B
Wendell Solesbee IVP =3B N4LK
---= -- Original Message -----
= Sent: Sunday=2C August 16=2C 2009 5:33 AM
= Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

Bill=2C
 =3B
I absolutely agree with you. =3B I= avoid flying into Oshkosh and Sun n Fun for much the same reasons as you d= etail below.
 =3B
Tried to get the warbird arrival last = year. =3B I even arranged it with the tower at Fond du Lac. =3B On = my way in to Oshkosh=2C I was asked if I was a Warbird - I honestly told th= em I was not - =3Bthey told me I could not have the warbird arrival.&nb= sp=3B I then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - they asked me if I was a = turbine - again I replied honestly and they told me I could not have the "t= urbine arrival". =3B I was forced to make a short pattern and land on t= he taxiway - which actually =3Bworked =3BOK.
 =3B
I don't think the Oshkosh controllers = have any idea about the V speeds of the planes they are controlling. = =3B Their emphasis is on getting everyone in as quickly as possible whether= safely or not.
 =3B
 =3B
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