X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:24:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3816561 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:40:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.143; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7I5e0Wi022621 for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:40:00 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.ccd.5e2edc98 (43840) for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.149]) by cia-dc03.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC035-5c654a8a3ea9281; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:39:55 -0400 Received: from webmail-m050 (webmail-m050.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.82]) by smtprly-mb02.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB023-5c654a8a3ea9281; Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:39:53 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: OSH arrival X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:39:53 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 96.31.228.140 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CBEDDD71E45954_D18_21C6_webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Received: from 96.31.228.140 by webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.82) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:39:52 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CBEDDD71DF9694-D18-106C@webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: VTAILJEFF@aol.com ----------MB_8CBEDDD71E45954_D18_21C6_webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" nope--not at all -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case at earthlink To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:52 am Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival do you actually have to lie to get the warbird arrival? ----- Original Message ----- From: Wendell Solesbee To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival I used the warbird arrival this year with no problems. I reported at Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and was cleared to land on runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there were no problems. IN 2008?when using the FISK arrival I had to go around three times. When I tried to extend out to give myself some room someone would cut in front of me.On the last go around?I passed a bonanza on?about a?one mile final and landed ahead of him. That experience made me decide to use the warbird arrival?the next year and it worked great.?? ? Wendell Solesbee IVP? N4LK ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Brunner To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival Bill, ? I absolutely agree with you.? I avoid flying into Oshkosh and Sun n Fun for much the same reasons as you detail below. ? Tried to get the warbird arrival last year.? I even arranged it with the tower at Fond du Lac.? On my way in to Oshkosh, I was asked if I was a Warbird - I honestly told them I was not -?they told me I could not have the warbird arrival.? I then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - they asked me if I was a turbine - again I replied honestly and they told me I could not have the "turbine arrival".? I was forced to make a short pattern and land on the taxiway - which actually?worked?OK. ? I don't think the Oshkosh controllers have any idea about the V speeds of the planes they are controlling.? Their emphasis is on getting everyone in as quickly as possible whether safely or not. ? ? ----------MB_8CBEDDD71E45954_D18_21C6_webmail-m050.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" nope--not at all


-----Original Message-----
From: Colyn Case at earthlink <colyncase@earthlink.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 17, 2009 6:52 am
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

do you actually have to lie to get the warbird arrival?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:49 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

I used the warbird arrival this year with no problems. I reported at Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and was cleared to land on runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there were no problems. IN 2008 when using the FISK arrival I had to go around three times. When I tried to extend out to give myself some room someone would cut in front of me.On the last go around I passed a bonanza on about a one mile final and landed ahead of him. That experience made me decide to use the warbird arrival the next year and it worked great.  
 
Wendell Solesbee IVP  N4LK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:33 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival

Bill,
 
I absolutely agree with you.  I avoid flying into Oshkosh and Sun n Fun for much the same reasons as you detail below.
 
Tried to get the warbird arrival last year.  I even arranged it with the tower at Fond du Lac.  On my way in to Oshkosh, I was asked if I was a Warbird - I honestly told them I was not - they told me I could not have the warbird arrival.  I then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - they asked me if I was a turbine - again I replied honestly and they told me I could not have the "turbine arrival".  I was forced to make a short pattern and land on the taxiway - which actually worked OK.
 
I don't think the Oshkosh controllers have any idea about the V speeds of the planes they are controlling.  Their emphasis is on getting everyone in as quickly as possible whether safely or not.
 
 
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