X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3815280 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:05:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.65; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Tg/HG/OlG+XhZ9+hlbIYLEzP3rpSdpMyOLP83Ln5h3b2VO/ejFJF92UNi8w3+Hh9; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.63] (helo=ccaselt3) by elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1McraQ-0001c3-Q7 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:04:38 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <012c01ca1edf$146034b0$6401a8c0@nvidia.com> From: "Colyn Case at earthlink" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: OSH arrival X-Original-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:04:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA1EBD.8D04BA70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9405f21d6a7beae632ba9c0e70a3050757d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.63 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA1EBD.8D04BA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do you actually have to lie to get the warbird arrival? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wendell Solesbee=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:49 PM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 I used the warbird arrival this year with no problems. I reported at = Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and was cleared to land on = runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there were no problems. IN 2008 = when using the FISK arrival I had to go around three times. When I tried = to extend out to give myself some room someone would cut in front of = me.On the last go around I passed a bonanza on about a one mile final = and landed ahead of him. That experience made me decide to use the = warbird arrival the next year and it worked great. =20 Wendell Solesbee IVP N4LK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Douglas Brunner=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival=20 Bill, I absolutely agree with you. I avoid flying into Oshkosh and Sun n = Fun for much the same reasons as you detail below. Tried to get the warbird arrival last year. I even arranged it with = the tower at Fond du Lac. On my way in to Oshkosh, I was asked if I was = a Warbird - I honestly told them I was not - they told me I could not = have the warbird arrival. I then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - = they asked me if I was a turbine - again I replied honestly and they = told me I could not have the "turbine arrival". I was forced to make a = short pattern and land on the taxiway - which actually worked OK. I don't think the Oshkosh controllers have any idea about the V = speeds of the planes they are controlling. Their emphasis is on getting = everyone in as quickly as possible whether safely or not. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01CA1EBD.8D04BA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
do you actually have to lie to get the = warbird=20 arrival?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wendell Solesbee
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 = 3:49=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH arrival =

I used the warbird arrival this year = with no=20 problems. I reported at Fond du Lac and again at Warbird Island and = was=20 cleared to land on runway 36. Other than a 20 kt crosswind there were = no=20 problems. IN 2008 when using the FISK arrival I had to go around = three=20 times. When I tried to extend out to give myself some room someone = would cut=20 in front of me.On the last go around I passed a bonanza = on about=20 a one mile final and landed ahead of him. That experience made me = decide=20 to use the warbird arrival the next year and it worked=20 great.  
 
Wendell Solesbee IVP  = N4LK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Douglas Brunner =
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 = 5:33=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: OSH = arrival

Bill,
 
I absolutely agree with you.  = I avoid=20 flying into Oshkosh and Sun n Fun for much the same reasons as you = detail=20 below.
 
Tried to get the warbird arrival = last=20 year.  I even arranged it with the tower at Fond du Lac.  = On my=20 way in to Oshkosh, I was asked if I was a Warbird - I honestly told = them I=20 was not - they told me I could not have the warbird = arrival.  I=20 then tried to get the "turbine arrival" - they asked me if I was a = turbine -=20 again I replied honestly and they told me I could not have the = "turbine=20 arrival".  I was forced to make a short pattern and land on the = taxiway=20 - which actually worked OK.
 
I don't think the Oshkosh = controllers have any=20 idea about the V speeds of the planes they are controlling.  = Their=20 emphasis is on getting everyone in as quickly as possible whether = safely or=20 not.
 
 
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