X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:57:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.glasair.org ([65.75.24.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTPS id 3815096 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:16:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.75.24.102; envelope-from=Bruce@Glasair.org Received: from gray1 by mail.glasair.org (VisNetic.MailServer.v9.1.4.1) with ESMTP id XDG59300 for ; Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:16:00 -0400 From: "Bruce Gray" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? X-Original-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:16:00 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0121_01CA1E95.3A491970" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01CA1E95.3A491970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're going to fly in primer, I would advise a sealer coat over the primer. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Wendell Solesbee Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:50 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? I completly finished my IVP before I flew it.It seemed to me that there was just too many negatives to flying it first in primer.Primer absorbs anything that touches it and the only way to clean it is to sand it clean. You then have to dissassemble the plane to paint it properly and then reassemble it after painting. If you are confident that the plane was built properly there should be no problems that could not be easily fixed. If you paint your plane with colors that can be easily matched and blended then if you do have to fix something its not that big of a deal. I have been in the car painting business for 37 years and have also painted several airplanes. Wendell Solesbee IVP N4Lk ----- Original Message ----- From: Sky2high@aol.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:33 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? Gents, I flew my 320 for a year in WLS primer. It was lightly sanded and cleaned with MEK and Acetone before the final paint (Dupont base coat,clear coat). The paint is still hanging on after 12 years. Some notes: I had large N numbers painted on the primer with Krylon - easily removed with acetone. After cleaning and painting, the Krylon left what appeared to be a raised area - that disappeared after about 2 months. Things shift over time. I can see the pre-preg weave in fluorescent light - it cannot be seen in daylight. I have had a few pin holes appear after 5 or 8 years. It probably would have been wise to shoot on another coat of primer before the final paint job. Scott Krueger In a message dated 8/15/2009 8:33:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com writes: I have been told that if oil got onto primer it was impossible to remove. It makes sense to me but am I wrong? Although it's a long way off, my plan is to prime and then shoot a plain white top coat just to protect the primer. I paint outdoors so between the bugs, pollen, and my limited ability it won't be pretty but should last through test flights and any tweaking. By that time the flaws that were mentioned will hopefully show up and it can go to a paint shop for the final paint job. BTW on my Velocity project I found that playing a heat gun lightly on the factory-primed glass would bring out the weave. As I decided not to complete the plane I don't know if there might've been a long-term effect on the glass or the primer. I doubt it was any worse than a ramp on a hot sunny day though. Might be something to try on some scrap... -Bill Wade ----- Original Message ----- From: Dana Westphal To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? I also recommend flying in primer. We flew my Legacy almost a year before paint. After the first flights, we were up and down that wing hundreds of times fixing, fiddling and adjusting many things in the cockpit and behind the panel (many unusual body positions were observed I might add). Performing the final fit on the glare shield in itself required many trips up and down the wings. I think that we would have worn right through the wing walk and paint! Fly safe, Dana Westphal Legacy N97DW "Built over Geologic Time" _____ ------=_NextPart_000_0121_01CA1E95.3A491970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= If you’re going to fly in primer, I would advise a sealer coat over the = primer.

=  

Bruce
www.Glasair.org

-----Original = Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing = List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Wendell Solesbee
Sent: Sunday, August 16, = 2009 3:50 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in = primer?

 

I completly finished my IVP before I flew it.It seemed to me that there = was just too many negatives to flying it first in primer.Primer absorbs anything = that touches it and the only way to clean it is to sand it clean. You then = have to dissassemble the plane to paint it properly and then reassemble it = after painting. If you are confident that the plane was built properly there = should be no problems that could not be easily fixed. If you paint your plane = with colors that can be easily matched and blended then if you do have to fix something its not that big of a deal. I have been in the car = painting business for 37 years and have also painted several = airplanes.

 

Wendell Solesbee IVP N4Lk

  

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, August = 16, 2009 5:33 AM

Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in primer?

 

Gents,

 

I flew my 320 for a year in WLS primer. It was lightly sanded = and cleaned with MEK and Acetone before the final paint (Dupont base coat,clear = coat). The paint is still hanging on after 12 years.

 

Some notes:

 

I had large N numbers painted on the primer with Krylon - easily removed = with acetone.  After cleaning and painting, the Krylon left = what appeared to be a raised area - that disappeared after about 2 = months.

 

Things shift over time.  I can see the pre-preg weave in fluorescent light = - it cannot be seen in daylight.  I have had a few pin holes appear = after 5 or 8 years.

 

It probably would have been wise to shoot on another coat of primer before = the final paint job.

 

Scott = Krueger

 

In a message dated 8/15/2009 8:33:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com writes:

  I have been told that if oil got onto primer it was impossible to = remove. It makes sense to me but am I wrong?

 

  Alth= ough it's a long way off, my plan is to prime and then shoot a plain white = top coat just to protect the primer. I paint outdoors so between the bugs, pollen, and my limited ability it won't be pretty but should last through test flights and any tweaking. By that = time the flaws that were mentioned will hopefully show up and it can go to a = paint shop for the final paint job.

 

  BTW on my Velocity project I found that playing a heat gun = lightly on the factory-primed glass would bring out the weave. As I decided not to complete the plane I don't know if there might've = been a long-term effect on the glass or the primer. I doubt it was any worse = than a ramp on a hot sunny day though. Might be something to try on some scrap...    -Bill Wade

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, = August 15, 2009 1:10 PM

Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in primer?

 

I also recommend flying in = primer.  We flew my Legacy almost a year before paint.  After the first = flights, we were up and down that wing hundreds of times fixing, fiddling and = adjusting many things in the cockpit and behind the panel (many unusual body = positions were observed I might add).  Performing the final fit on the glare = shield in itself required many trips up and down the wings.  I think that = we would have worn right through the wing walk and = paint!

 

=

Fly = safe,

 

=

Dana = Westphal

Legacy = N97DW

“Built over Geologic = Time” 

 

=

 

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