X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:33:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3814658 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:37:13 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.78.142; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7G3aUSl015467 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:36:30 -0400 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id q.c0c.656879c7 (39952) for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:36:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:36:28 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1250393788" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5006 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com -------------------------------1250393788 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Gents, =20 I flew my 320 for a year in WLS primer. It was lightly sanded and cleaned= =20 with MEK and Acetone before the final paint (Dupont base coat,clear coat)= .=20 The paint is still hanging on after 12 years. =20 Some notes: =20 I had large N numbers painted on the primer with Krylon - easily removed= =20 with acetone. After cleaning and painting, the Krylon left what appeared= to=20 be a raised area - that disappeared after about 2 months. =20 Things shift over time. I can see the pre-preg weave in fluorescent ligh= t=20 - it cannot be seen in daylight. I have had a few pin holes appear after= =20 5 or 8 years. =20 It probably would have been wise to shoot on another coat of primer before= =20 the final paint job. =20 Scott Krueger =20 =20 In a message dated 8/15/2009 8:33:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, =20 super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com writes: I have been told that if oil got onto primer it was impossible to=20 remove. It makes sense to me but am I wrong? =20 Although it's a long way off, my plan is to prime and then shoot a plai= n=20 white top coat just to protect the primer. I paint outdoors so between th= e=20 bugs, pollen, and my limited ability it won't be pretty but should last= =20 through test flights and any tweaking. By that time the flaws that were= =20 mentioned will hopefully show up and it can go to a paint shop for the fi= nal=20 paint job. =20 BTW on my Velocity project I found that playing a heat gun lightly on= =20 the factory-primed glass would bring out the weave. As I decided not to= =20 complete the plane I don't know if there might've been a long-term effect= on the=20 glass or the primer. I doubt it was any worse than a ramp on a hot sunny= =20 day though. Might be something to try on some scrap... -Bill Wade =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: _Dana Westphal_ (mailto:needforspeed01@cox.net) =20 To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) =20 Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in primer? I also recommend flying in primer. We flew my Legacy almost a year befor= e=20 paint. After the first flights, we were up and down that wing hundreds= of=20 times fixing, fiddling and adjusting many things in the cockpit and behin= d=20 the panel (many unusual body positions were observed I might add). =20 Performing the final fit on the glare shield in itself required many trip= s up and=20 down the wings. I think that we would have worn right through the wing= =20 walk and paint!=20 Fly safe,=20 Dana Westphal=20 Legacy N97DW=20 =E2=80=9CBuilt over Geologic Time=E2=80=9D =20 -------------------------------1250393788 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Gents,
 
I flew my 320 for a year in WLS primer. It was lightly sanded=20 and cleaned with MEK and Acetone before the final paint (Dupont base= =20 coat,clear coat). The paint is still hanging on after 12 years.
 
Some notes:
 
I had large N numbers painted on the primer with Krylon - easily= =20 removed with acetone.  After cleaning and painting, the=20 Krylon left what appeared to be a raised area - that disappeared afte= r=20 about 2 months.
 
Things shift over time.  I can see the pre-preg weave in fluores= cent=20 light - it cannot be seen in daylight.  I have had a few pin hol= es=20 appear after 5 or 8 years.
 
It probably would have been wise to shoot on another coat of primer= before=20 the final paint job.
 
Scott Krueger
 
In a message dated 8/15/2009 8:33:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com writes:
  I have been told that if oil got= onto=20 primer it was impossible to remove. It makes sense to me but am I=20 wrong?
 
  Although it's a long way of= f, my plan=20 is to prime and then shoot a plain white top coat just to protect the pr= imer.=20 I paint outdoors so between the bugs, pollen, and my limited= ability=20 it won't be pretty but should last through test flights and an= y=20 tweaking. By that time the flaws that were mentioned will hopefully show= up=20 and it can go to a paint shop for the final paint job.
 
  BTW on my Velocity project I fou= nd that=20 playing a heat gun lightly on the factory-primed glass would bring= out=20 the weave. As I decided not to complete the plane I= don't=20 know if there might've been a long-term effect on the glass or the= =20 primer. I doubt it was any worse than a ramp on a hot sunny day though.= Might=20 be something to try on some scrap...    -Bill Wade
 
----- Original Message -----
= From:=20 Dana Westphal
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009= 1:10=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Fly in prime= r?

I also recommend flying= in=20 primer.  We flew my Legacy almost a year before paint.  Afte= r the=20 first flights, we were up and down that wing hundreds of times fixing,= =20 fiddling and adjusting many things in the cockpit and behind the panel= (many=20 unusual body positions were observed I might add).  Performing th= e=20 final fit on the glare shield in itself required many trips up and dow= n the=20 wings.  I think that we would have worn right through the wing wa= lk and=20 paint!

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Fly=20 safe,

 =

Dana=20 Westphal

Legacy=20 N97DW

=E2=80=9CBuilt over Geol= ogic Time=E2=80=9D =20

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