X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:33:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [69.146.254.20] (HELO arilabs.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.11) with ESMTP id 3406440 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 31 Dec 2008 22:16:17 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.146.254.20; envelope-from=Kevin@arilabs.net Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C96BBF.3A2ACADD" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Insurance X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:15:41 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <7141427652BB3049A7DBF1084B67805B1E2DD4@penumbra.arilabs.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Insurance Thread-Index: AclrvL+jZdDqvsy8RlurMj80KhOD1wAAZemg From: "Kevin Stallard" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C96BBF.3A2ACADD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C96BBF.3A2ACADD" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C96BBF.3A2ACADD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Bryan, =20 I know it is expensive, but go get the time. Before I bought my kit, I spent a lot of money renting tin cans. I found the highest performance ones I could with retractable gear, and all the engine management stuff (it was turbo charged). =20 There are also flying clubs that you can become part of that may even be cheaper. I know it looks like a lot of money, but seriously, you came this far don't stop now. Besides, the extra flying can't hurt. Just don't do it in a 152 or a 172. Start a flying club, I don't know, just don't give up on it. =20 Take your wife (or who ever your other half is) on trips and go places while you build up time. I don't know your situation, but I don't think you'll regret it. =20 Happy New Year, Kevin=20 =20 Almost there....N969RJ L2K-291 =20 =20 ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Wullner Sent: 2008-12-31 19:58 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Insurance =20 AIG hasn't quoted me yet but they said in order to get insured in a 360 I would need 350TT and at least 50 in RG. Then after insuring they would require more training in the aircraft before I could fly solo. =20 Im still waiting on 2 other companies to give me their requirements. =20 I dont have anywhere near 350TT so It's not looking good for me if the other companies require the same. Anybody looking for a sweet 360 that is ready for paint and Interior? =20 Bryan On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Ken wrote: From: n427jb@bellsouth.net [mailto: n427jb@bellsouth.net]=20 I did hear that Avemco was starting to insure Lancair aircraft. I would ask that all report here on the LML our experiences with other insurance companies. =20 Insurance experience: =20 After initial training with Pete Z in December 2007, AIG insured my IV-P for the year 2008. They required annual recurrent training. When it came time to renew / reapply for 2009 I tried to get them to accept Jeff as the trainer, but they would only accept HPAT. And, after 80 hours of IV-P time more than I had the previous year and after a second round of training, my rates would increase 45% and my deductible would go from $100 (one hundred) to $30,000 (thirty-thousand). =20 Jenney Estes at Nation Air Aviation Insurance (877-475-5860) found coverage for me with Aerospace Insurance Managers. They accepted Jeff to do the recurrent training. The deductible was $15,000 instead of $30,000 and the rate was 33% LESS than the rate AIG quoted for 2009. =20 Some time during this process AIG changed their mind about not approving Jeff for my recurrent training and said they would approve him for this year only. =20 I went with Aerospace Insurance. Jenney Estes at Nation Air is great to work with. =20 =20 Training experience: =20 Initial training with Pete was great. He took me from zero time to ten hours and I felt comfortable flying the airplane and very very respectful of what could go wrong. Dealing with HPAT scheduling, availability, cancellations due to lack of trainers, returning phone calls, and clarity of expenses was extremely poor. I reviewed this with Pete at that time in Dec 2007. He said that although it was something he did not want to hear he was glad to hear it so he could take steps to fix it.=20 =20 Recurrent training with Jeff was outstanding. Jeff knows the airplane and he know how to teach. The training syllabus and handout material was very good. Dealing with Jeff in all of the "other" aspects was a pleasure. =20 Ken Kellner IV-P 14LK =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lancair =20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Friday, December 26, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Insurance =20 From: n427jb@bellsouth.net [mailto:n427jb@bellsouth.net]=20 I did hear that Avemco was starting to insure Lancair aircraft. I would ask that all report here on the LML our experiences with other insurance companies. =20 =20 Avemco quoted me $4200 to insure my GlaStar, while for the exact same coverage AIG quoted $2200. I switched companies (a no-brainer) and got into a legal battle with Avemco over my cancellation. I had the Ohio Attorney General's office threaten Avemco with a lawsuit and they finally backed off. Deal with those buggers at your own peril. =20 =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C96BBF.3A2ACADD Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey = Bryan,

 

I know it is expensive, but go get = the time.  Before I bought my kit, I spent a lot of money renting tin = cans.  I found the highest performance ones I could with retractable gear, and = all the engine management stuff (it was turbo = charged).

 

There are also flying clubs that = you can become part of that may even be cheaper.  I know it looks like a = lot of money, but seriously, you came this far don’t stop now.  Besides, = the extra flying can’t hurt.  Just don’t do it in a 152 or a = 172.  Start a flying club, I don’t know, just don’t give up on = it.

 

Take your wife (or who ever your = other half is) on trips and go places while you build up time.  I don’t = know your situation, but I don’t think you’ll regret = it.

 

Happy New = Year,

Kevin

 

Almost there….N969RJ  = L2K-291

 

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Wullner
Sent: 2008-12-31 = 19:58
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Insurance

 

AIG hasn't quoted me yet but they said in order to get insured = in a 360 I would need 350TT and at least 50 in RG.  Then after insuring they = would require more training in the aircraft before I could fly solo. =  

Im still waiting on 2 other companies to give me their = requirements.  

I dont have anywhere near 350TT so It's not looking good for me = if the other companies require the same.  Anybody looking for a sweet 360 = that is ready for paint and Interior?

 

Bryan

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Ken <kkellner1@new.rr.com> = wrote:

From: = n427jb@bellsouth.net= [mailto:n427jb@bellsouth.net] 
 I did hear that Avemco was starting to insure = Lancair aircraft.  I would ask that all report here on the LML our = experiences with other insurance companies.

 

Insurance = experience:

 

After initial training with Pete Z in December 2007, AIG insured = my IV-P for the year 2008.  They required annual recurrent = training.  When it came time to renew / reapply for 2009 I tried to get them = to accept Jeff as the trainer, but they would only accept HPAT.  = And, after 80 hours of IV-P time more than I had the previous year and after = a second round of training, my rates would increase 45% and my = deductible would go from $100 (one hundred) to $30,000  = (thirty-thousand).

 

Jenney Estes at Nation Air Aviation Insurance (877-475-5860) = found coverage for me with Aerospace Insurance Managers.  They accepted = Jeff to do the recurrent training.  The deductible was $15,000 instead of = $30,000 and the rate was 33% LESS = than the rate AIG quoted for 2009.

 

Some time during this process AIG changed their mind about not approving Jeff for my recurrent training and said they would approve him = for this year only.

 

I went with Aerospace Insurance.  Jenney Estes at Nation = Air is great to work with. 

 

Training = experience:

 

Initial training with Pete was great.  He took me from zero time to ten hours and I felt comfortable flying the airplane and = very very respectful of what could go wrong.  Dealing with HPAT scheduling, availability, cancellations due to lack of = trainers, returning phone calls, and clarity of expenses was extremely = poor.  I reviewed this with Pete at that time in Dec 2007. He said that although = it was something he did not want to hear he was glad to hear it so he = could take steps to fix it. 

 

Recurrent training with Jeff was outstanding.  Jeff knows = the airplane and he know how to teach.  The training syllabus and = handout material was very good.  Dealing with Jeff in all of the = "other" aspects was a pleasure.

 

Ken = Kellner

IV-P = 14LK

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =

From: Lancair =

Sent: Friday, = December 26, 2008 7:33 PM

Subject: RE: = Insurance

 

From: n427jb@bellsouth.net [mailto:n427jb@bellsouth.net] 
 I did hear that Avemco was starting to insure = Lancair aircraft.  I would ask that all report here on the LML our = experiences with other insurance companies.   

 

Avemco quoted me = $4200 to insure my GlaStar, while for the exact same coverage AIG = quoted $2200.  I switched companies (a no-brainer) and got into a legal = battle with Avemco over my cancellation.  I had the Ohio Attorney = General's office threaten Avemco with a lawsuit and they finally backed off.  = Deal with those buggers at your own peril.  =

 

Robert M. = Simon

ES-P = N301ES

 

 

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