X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:22:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from sfa.gami.com ([68.89.254.162] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2946485 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 30 May 2008 20:19:05 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.89.254.162; envelope-from=gwbraly@gami.com Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sfa.gami.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3531229C076 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gamimail1.Gami.local (unknown [10.10.10.33]) by sfa.gami.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F3929C073 for ; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gamimail1.Gami.local ([10.10.10.33]) by gamimail1.Gami.local ([10.10.10.33]) with mapi; Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:20 -0500 From: George Braly X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:18:18 -0500 Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergency Recovery Switch -- Only $48k Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergency Recovery Switch -- Only $48k Thread-Index: AcjCqb+4jekneZhXRG2OIQ5KaofFeAACZx2Q X-Original-Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C273A1B35F3C6748B52EE0CC2FCEE96C6DE070EC12gamimail1Gami_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.3.2 (20050629) (Debian) at gami.com --_000_C273A1B35F3C6748B52EE0CC2FCEE96C6DE070EC12gamimail1Gami_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable John, There was a rather extensive discussion of the Cirrus accident record on th= e Cessna Pilot's Association mail list last year. Bottom line - - there is rather convincing evidence that the typical Cirrus= owner flys his airplane something like 1.5 to 2.0 times as many hours eac= h year as the comparable owner of other late model high performance aircraf= t. And in particular, they DO tend to fly them a higher percentage of time= on IFR flight plans. Whether they do that "incompetently" or competently - - is really unknown. However, when properly adjusted for the unusually high usage pattern - - = the accident rate does not appear to be abnormal. Regards, George ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John= Hafen Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:06 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergency Recovery Switch -- Only $48k George says: "I do think it will be of some use to marginal pilots in bad s= ituations..." My concern is that "marginal pilots" will feel a false sense of security, w= ith the "Level" button and the chute, and go more boldly into bad situation= s. I have to admit, however, whether or not it ever saves a life (in which cas= e it is way more than worth its heavy price tag), it IS an incredibly brill= iant marketing strategy to sell more airplanes. The two biggest impediments to fast new planes are 1) wives, and 2) insuran= ce companies. Level buttons and BRS score high marks with both, facilitati= ng marginal pilots to more readily get themselves into bad situations. Respectfully, John Hafen On 5/30/08 6:44 AM, "George Braly" wrote: Brent, That same sort of thing was said about the parachute. In fact - - I said i= t at one time. I said lots of things - - that I wish I hadn't said. I have had the opportunity during the certification to actually fly behind = the "level" button in the G1000+ Garmin SR 22. I didn't think I would like it. For all of the reasons and more that are = inherent in your comment. I ended up liking it. I don't think it is going to encourage anybody to do anything they shouldn'= t be doing. I do think it will be of some use to marginal pilots in bad situations. And, I think a number of pilots pilots will find some occasional uses for i= t in somewhat routine situations just as a "time" saver when they are busy= and want to change up their "game plan" and do something different. Regards, George ________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bren= t Regan Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:59 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergency Recovery Switch -- Only $48k They should call it a "Kill Switch" as it will encourage pilots to undertak= e aeronautical adventures that require skills not possessed by same. Regards Brent Regan --_000_C273A1B35F3C6748B52EE0CC2FCEE96C6DE070EC12gamimail1Gami_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergency Recovery Switch= -- Only $48k
John,
 
There was a rather extensive discussion of the C= irrus=20 accident record on the Cessna Pilot's Association mail list last=20 year.
 
Bottom line - - there is rather convincing evide= nce=20 that the typical Cirrus owner flys his airplane something like  1.5 to= 2.0=20 times as many hours each year as the comparable owner of other late model h= igh=20 performance aircraft.  And in particular, they DO tend to fly them a h= igher=20 percentage of time on IFR flight plans.  
 
Whether they do that "incompetently" or competen= tly - -=20 is really unknown.
 
However,  when properly adjusted for the&nb= sp;=20 unusually high usage pattern - - the accident rate does not appear to be=20 abnormal.
 
Regards,  George
 
 

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John Hafen
Sent:=20 Friday, May 30, 2008 6:06 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergen= cy=20 Recovery Switch -- Only $48k

George says: “I do think it will be of some= use to=20 marginal pilots in bad situations...”

My concern is that ̶= 0;marginal=20 pilots” will feel a false sense of security, with the “Level= 221; button and the=20 chute, and go more boldly into bad situations.

I have to admit, howe= ver,=20 whether or not it ever saves a life (in which case it is way more than wort= h its=20 heavy price tag), it IS an incredibly brilliant marketing strategy to sell = more=20 airplanes.  

The two biggest impediments to fast new planes are= 1)=20 wives, and 2) insurance companies.  Level buttons and BRS score high m= arks=20 with both, facilitating marginal pilots to more readily get themselves into= bad=20 situations.

Respectfully,

John Hafen


On 5/30/08 6:= 44=20 AM, "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>= ;=20 wrote:
Brent,

That same sort of thing was said about the parachute.  = In fact=20 - - I said it at one time.

I said lots of things - - that I wish I hadn't=20 said.

I have had the opportunity during the certification to actua= lly fly=20 behind the "level"  button in the  G1000+ Garmin SR 22.=20  

I didn't think I would like it.   For all of the r= easons=20 and more that are inherent in your comment.

I ended up liking it.   

I don't think it is going to encourage anybody to do anythin= g they=20 shouldn't be doing.

I do think it will be of some use to marginal pilots in bad= =20 situations.

And, I think a number of pilots pilots will find some occasi= onal=20 uses for it in somewhat routine situations just as a  "time" saver w= hen=20 they are busy and want to change up their "game plan"  and do someth= ing=20 different.

Regards,  George

From: Lanc= air=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] <= B>On=20 Behalf Of Brent Regan
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:59=20 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject:=20 [LML] Re: Cirrus announces Emergency Recovery Switch -- Only=20 $48k

They=20 should call it a "Kill Switch" as it will encourage pilots to undertake=20 aeronautical adventures that require skills not possessed by=20 same.

Regards
Brent Regan

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