Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #47482
From: Chuck Jensen <cjensen@dts9000.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Electronic ignition spark plugs
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:05:47 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
George,
 
Your postings are quite surprising, and a bit disappointing.  You point out that auto plugs are different that aviation plugs.  You point out that you know the temperature of the aviation plugs during operations.  You point out that auto plugs enjoys a heat sunk environment.  You point out that the aviation plug was designed for the aviation environment.
 
All of these are true, but unfortunately, you leave us to 'conclude' that that somehow means that the auto plug are unsatisfactory in the aviation environment.  I don't like having to bridge such gaps in data.  What  is it about auto plugs that are inadequate?  Peak temp tolerance?  Temp rate of change?  Cylinder compression?  100LL gas?  Where do they fall short, other than they are 'different' from aviation plugs?
 
Personally, I run aviation plugs on both my mag and EI, but many have run auto plugs without problems.  Why, or how, were they successful when there are so many implied deficiencies with auto plugs?

Thanks, 
Chuck Jensen

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of George Braly
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:45 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Electronic ignition spark plugs

Colyn,
 
Other than curiosity - -   it is not, frankly, important that I know what the number is supposed to be - -
 
What is important is that nobody has a clue as to what the number is for the automotive spark plug mounted in the aircraft application.
 
Keep in mind that the automotive spark plug enjoyes being "heat sunk"  into a massive water cooled cylinder head that is held at constant temperature from a thermostat.
 
By contrast, the aircraft spark plug is desgined for the much more variable environment of the air cooled cylinder head which can have temperatures more than twice as high as the automotive cylinder head.
 
There is a  casual acceptance of a substantial level of  "under-investigation"  that is associated with some of these often routinely accepted  recommendations to use components that have not undergone   thoughtful testing at the boundary conditions of  realistic operating environments.  
 
Regards,  George
 
PS>  The answer to your question is in some of the APS class materials.  We made a power point slide that detailed the aircraft spark plug ceramic temperature as a function of  A/F ratio.
 


From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case at earthlink
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:37 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Electronic ignition spark plugs

George said
I can tell you the answer to that question with respect to an aviation spark plug.
 
okay, what's the answer? say, 50 dF LOP 32" TSIO-550 ....or whatever you actually have.
 
 
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