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Mr. Schaefer,

We have had very good results using the conductive paint for ground planes.
We typically will apply it to the inside of the structure right on inner
skin of the fuselage for coms, transponder, TCAD and some types of GPS. Its
best to also paint a small pad on the outside that the antenna will sit on.
Make sure the pad on the outside is touching the ground plane through the
mounting holes by applying paint on the inside of the mounting holes. Always
use the gasket under the antenna, It is designed to make the connection to
the body of the antenna. As for the navs, they don't use a ground plane like
the others but they do need to be attached (conductively) to the carbon wing
skin, not just mounted in the tip. We have had much better luck with nav
whiskers protruding from the vertical.

Hope this is helpful.

Matthew Collier
Fibercraft Inc.
ivdiggs@gmail.com

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Richard T. Schaefer <
schaefer@rts-services.com> wrote:

>  Folks,
>
>     I am getting ready to paint (Conductive) ground planes for COM and
> X-Pndr.
>
>     The questions I have are:
>
> 1)     Prime first ? Prime Over the top ?
>
> 2)     It seems the antennas have a gasket to maintain a good seal. I
> assume the gasket would go between the base and the painted on ground plane.
> How do you get a good contact from the painted ground plane to the antennas
> ?
>
>
>
>      Since I am on the topic, how about the ground planes for the NAV
> antennas in the eGlass Winglets ? Anything special to be concerned with ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Richard T. Schaefer      E-mail: schaefer@RTS-Services.com*
>
> *RTS Services Inc          Web: http://www.RTS-Services.com<http://www.rts-services.com/>
> *
>
> *7330 Cave Hollow         ___        Voice:  (512) 923-2755
> Austin, TX 78750          |         Fax:    (830) 798-9644
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Mr. Schaefer,<br><br>We have had very good results using the conductive paint for ground planes. We typically will apply it to the inside of the structure right on inner skin of the fuselage for coms, transponder, TCAD and some types of GPS. Its best to also paint a small pad on the outside that the antenna will sit on. Make sure the pad on the outside is touching the ground plane through the mounting holes by applying paint on the inside of the mounting holes. Always use the gasket under the antenna, It is designed to make the connection to the body of the antenna. As for the navs, they don&#39;t use a ground plane like the others but they do need to be attached (conductively) to the carbon wing skin, not just mounted in the tip. We have had much better luck with nav whiskers protruding from the vertical.<br>
<br>Hope this is helpful.<br><br>Matthew Collier<br>Fibercraft Inc.<br><a href="mailto:ivdiggs@gmail.com">ivdiggs@gmail.com</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Richard T. Schaefer &lt;<a href="mailto:schaefer@rts-services.com">schaefer@rts-services.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Folks,</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I am getting ready to paint (Conductive)
ground planes for COM and X-Pndr.</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The questions I have are:</span></font></p>

<p style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>1)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Prime first
? Prime Over the top ? </span></font></p>

<p style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;"><span>2)<font face="Times New Roman" size="1"><span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></font></span></span></font><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">It seems the
antennas have a gasket to maintain a good seal. I assume the gasket would go
between the base and the painted on ground plane. How do you get a good contact
from the painted ground plane to the antennas ?</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Since I am on the topic, how about
the ground planes for the NAV antennas in the eGlass Winglets ? Anything
special to be concerned with ? </span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">&nbsp;</span></font></p>

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<p><b><i><font color="navy" face="Courier New" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">Richard T. Schaefer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; E-mail: <a href="mailto:schaefer@RTS-Services.com" target="_blank">schaefer@RTS-Services.com</a></span></font></i></b></p>


<p><b><i><font color="navy" face="Courier New" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; color: navy; font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">RTS Services
Inc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Web: <a href="http://www.rts-services.com/" target="_blank">http://www.RTS-Services.com</a></span></font></i></b></p>

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___&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Voice:&nbsp; (512) 923-2755<br>
Austin, TX
 78750&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; |&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Fax:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (830) 798-9644<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;`---------(*)---------&#39;</span></font></i></b></p>

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