X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:50:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c4) with ESMTP id 2639496 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:33:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.136; envelope-from=RWolf99@aol.com Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.3.) id q.cc1.26e33a7a (37134) for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:32:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mblk-d10 (mblk-d10.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.2]) by cia-ma02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA028-910e478656b623c; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:32:38 -0500 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Single Point Failures X-Original-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:32:38 -0500 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 72.19.171.41 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rwolf99@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CA21C5EE49912A_428_7D2E_mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33706-STANDARD Received: from 72.19.171.41 by mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.2) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 12:32:38 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CA21C5EE49912A-428-3E82@mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO ----------MB_8CA21C5EE49912A_428_7D2E_mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Scott -- While designing the Javelin Jet we wrestled with single-point failures all the time.? The electrical guys were constantly telling us "but the systems are electrically separated, the functions are on different cards, each board has its own power supply, there are metal dividers between the boards -- why do you care that it's all in the same box?" We responded "everything goes in one cable to that box and what if that gets cut, a fire caused by something else could take out the entire box" and so forth.??Your example?of water dripping on the box or the spilled coffee in the movie "Fate is the Hunter" are examples of external factors causing?multiple failures in distributed systems that happen to all reside at the same physical spot. In my little Lancair, however, I don't think?physical separation of my electrical systems will protect me from a fire on one side of the cockpit.? It may help me, though, if the canopy starts leaking or if a passenger barfs on the circuit breaker panel... The bottom lines are: 1)? Do what you can, but realize there is a point of dimishing returns, but ... 2)? Murphy is out there ... - Rob Wolf ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ----------MB_8CA21C5EE49912A_428_7D2E_mblk-d10.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Scott --

While designing the Javelin Jet we wrestled with single-point failures all the time.  The electrical guys were constantly telling us "but the systems are electrically separated, the functions are on different cards, each board has its own power supply, there are metal dividers between the boards -- why do you care that it's all in the same box?"

We responded "everything goes in one cable to that box and what if that gets cut, a fire caused by something else could take out the entire box" and so forth.  Your example of water dripping on the box or the spilled coffee in the movie "Fate is the Hunter" are examples of external factors causing multiple failures in distributed systems that happen to all reside at the same physical spot.

In my little Lancair, however, I don't think physical separation of my electrical systems will protect me from a fire on one side of the cockpit.  It may help me, though, if the canopy starts leaking or if a passenger barfs on the circuit breaker panel...

The bottom lines are:

1)  Do what you can, but realize there is a point of dimishing returns, but ...
2)  Murphy is out there ...

- Rob Wolf

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