Return-Path: Received: from baron.nii.net ([209.113.172.16]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:17:19 -0500 Received: from nii.net (xcom50.nii.net [209.113.173.114]) by baron.nii.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05187 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:22:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3893AE6C.29208D36@nii.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:22:21 -0500 From: "Angier M. Ames" Reply-To: alphadog@nii.net Organization: Alpha Delta Research To: Lancair Subject: Weight and Balance X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> OK, OK,....I always suspected that the folks who wrote the 320/360 construction manuals had a twisted and perverted sense of humor. Now it is finally confirmed! Chapter 20 page 2 begins a discussion of the proceedure for establishing weight & balance. #11 on page 20-4 says: "You will now need to arrive at the moment weights of the nose gear location and the main gear location. To do this, simply multiply the weight of the nose gear by the distance from the datum point. Record this number in column E. Do the same for the main gear." If this requirement was remotely important to the weight & balance proceedure, why do you think they waited until chapter 20 to tell you to weigh your gear???? It does not take a rocket scientist to realize that this suggestion might be better placed at the beginning of the gear assembly chapter. Are these weights the same for all 235/320/360 aircraft? I have no way of knowing. I do know that in order to arrive at the accurate weight of my particular gear, I should remove the gear from my plane and weigh it. Am I missing something basic here? Are there multiple ways for doing accurate weight & balance? Angier Ames [Angier... sometimes it is very hard to see the forest because there are all those trees in the way . The idea of weight and balance is to weigh the entire completed airframe and all of its fixed components to ascertain your aircraf's baseline CG without regard to the additional loads which will be added to it (like fuel, pilot, pax, baggage, etc) to get it ready to fly. The only way to get this weight is to weigh the complete airframe with everything attached, and the only way to do that is to roll the aircraft onto scales and record the weights at each wheel. By applying these wights and their moments from the datum you establish the empty CG. The factory isn't suggesting that you weigh the gear assemblies by themselves, rather to use the weights at each of those points to find out how much the whole airframe weighs. We don't need to weigh individual fixed components because they are always going to be there with the airplane in a flyable condition. IOW, don't bother weighing your gear unless the rest of the airplane is attached to them . You might want to take a look at the weight and balance worksheet that Rick Argente provided on the LML website, it's a ZIPped Excel file located under the W&B/Inspections link on the main page. It should give you the complete picture of what's expected when doing your W&B. ] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>