X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-SpamCatcher-Score: 2 [X] Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 10:42:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [66.83.119.58] (HELO lucky.dts.local) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.6) with ESMTP id 1821248 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Feb 2007 09:05:02 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.83.119.58; envelope-from=cjensen@dts9000.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C74AC0.F5B598A6" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Bird Strike! X-Original-Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:05:01 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <8984A39879F2F5418251CBEEC9C689B33E6B7C@lucky.dts.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Bird Strike! Thread-Index: AcdKZaxD1JD8CL8oT/e6Aeb0zzhVhgAWzctg From: "Chuck Jensen" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74AC0.F5B598A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I'll bite. If we see a bird, or should I say, by the time we see a bird, is there actually useful, effective manuveurs that can be implements or is it strickly a wait-n-see regarding the outcome. I've not had any strikes but the encounter happens so fast, it seems hard to believe that one can be assured that the manuveur one makes will avoid the hit, instead of ensuring you do. However, I am definitely in favor of ducking!!! =20 It is surprisingly common for two cars to collide in a near empty parking lot...and those fools are only working in 2-D. Chuck Jensen=20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:11 PM To: lml Subject: [LML] Re: Bird Strike! In a message dated 2/6/2007 7:24:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, 5zq@cox.net writes: Interesting stuff, Scott. A little late, but still interesting :-). Bill and Sue, =20 Au contraire, mon amis. Perhaps the outcome would have been different had you read and memorized all the titillating details when the article was first published, then changed your "Impending Bird Strike" emergency checklist. Such a checklist should always be in the hands of the co-pilot, highlighted for AGL read outs and ready to assist the FP on impact avoidance (or post strike cleanup). I know that age is catching up and information retention is being crowded out by images of the "good old days", but here one must be encouraged to engage in recurrent training and simulated bird attacks in order to stay atop one's game. Shutting one's eyes and pulling on the stick whilst voicing the phrase "circular letter excrement" just isn't the proper response. Lancair pilots fly a higher line than that. =20 Grayhawk the irrelevant. =20 We just keep pecking away at safety. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C74AC0.F5B598A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Okay, I'll bite.  If we see a = bird, or=20 should I say, by the time we see a bird, is there actually useful, = effective=20 manuveurs that can be implements or is it strickly a wait-n-see = regarding the=20 outcome.  I've not had any strikes but the encounter happens so = fast, it=20 seems hard to believe that one can be assured that the manuveur one = makes will=20 avoid the hit, instead of ensuring you do.  However, I am = definitely in=20 favor of ducking!!!
 
It is surprisingly common for two = cars to=20 collide in a near empty parking lot...and those fools are only working = in=20 2-D.

Chuck Jensen 
 

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From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:11=20 PM
To: lml
Subject: [LML] Re: Bird=20 Strike!

In a message dated 2/6/2007 7:24:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, = 5zq@cox.net=20 writes:
Interesting stuff, Scott. A little late, but still = interesting=20 :-).
Bill and Sue,
 
Au contraire, mon amis. Perhaps the outcome would have been = different had=20 you read and memorized all the titillating details when the = article was=20 first published, then changed your "Impending Bird Strike"  = emergency=20 checklist.  Such a checklist should always be in the hands of = the=20 co-pilot, highlighted for AGL read outs and ready to assist the FP on = impact=20 avoidance (or post strike cleanup).  I know that age is catching up = and=20 information retention is being crowded out by images of the "good old = days", but=20 here one must be encouraged to engage in recurrent training and = simulated=20 bird attacks in order to stay atop one's game.  = Shutting one's=20 eyes and pulling on the stick whilst voicing the phrase "circular=20 letter excrement" just isn't the proper response.  Lancair = pilots fly=20 a higher line than that.
 
Grayhawk the irrelevant.
 
We just keep pecking away at safety.
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