X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:26:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1568027 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:42:07 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=rtitsworth@mindspring.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=GxCzYAcy1i4R5JN8PWt6DFHxcmlt8BFdEL5vkaQIcRVAO6PChsawdQyTBIFRvt7G; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [69.14.154.216] (helo=RDTVAIO) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GkL1O-0004JP-3j; Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:41:46 -0500 From: "rtitsworth" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" , Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair down in Georgia - Lancair Counts X-Original-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 08:41:29 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <002401c708bb$c3970770$0500a8c0@RDTVAIO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C70891.DAC0FF70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AccIb/GIjtuq9P76R+CmMndOCCNk7QAQroPg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-ELNK-Trace: b17f11247b2ac8f0a79dc4b33984cbaa0a9da525759e265428d5fc271de5e271cc93d5b19c2833e4379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.14.154.216 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C70891.DAC0FF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeff, etal, Here is a list/count of the number of Lancairs with airworthiness certificates based on the FAA registration DB (as of this past Sept). As you may know, the data there is pretty messy (inconsistent coding) so a lot of intelligence was build into my "best efforts" extract query to attempt to get quasi-accurate data. - The count is from the FAA DB and so only includes US aircraft. - The count only includes aircraft that have any Lancair "like" wording in the FAA make,model,description,etc (i.e 4, 4P, 4-P, L4, L4P, L4-P, IV, IVP, IV-P, LIV, LIVP, LIV-P, Lancair, etc) - The search was pretty inclusive, I then manually reviewed/sifted/tagged them. - The count only includes N-numbers that have AW certs - it does not include n-numbers that are reserved but have not yet been granted an AW cert - There are probably a few aircraft with AW certs that never flew (for whatever reason) - but this is likely very small. - The count includes N-numbers for planes that have been destroyed - unless the n-number was reassigned (then they are excluded) - I'm a little uncertain about how de-registered planes appear in the FAA DB, there are approx 100 Lancairs (various models) without n-numbers??? (those are not included below) I have never attempted to verify the counts. Perhaps KimL or someone at Lancair can validate it. Despite my efforts, I'm sure I've missed some. CountbyType Code . DESCRIPTION . CountOfN-NUMBER . 20 200 6 21 210 1 23 235 89 29 290 1 32 320 192 36 360 117 E ES 79 4 IV 80 4P IV-P 180 4T IV-T 31 L LEGACY 105 T TIGRESS 1 FYI, the total is 882 Given that my best efforts query has still missed some, I'd guess we're in the 900's somewhere overall. Given that some (50-100???) are overseas the "global" number is probably somewhere over 1000. Given that 100'ish have been (seemed to have been) de-registered (no current n-number) perhaps this makes the "over 1000" even more likely. If this is right, the 1000'th Lancair flying probably happened sometime recently (last year or so) Would be nice to figure out who that was and have a party! Perhaps I'm, way off ??? Rick Titsworth ES - back to work. _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of VTAILJEFF@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:39 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair down in Georgia In a message dated 11/14/2006 9:29:58 PM Central Standard Time, rienk.ayers@sreyaaviation.com writes: what percentages are those of the flying fleet (of each type)? That would give another perspective on the accident rates. I do not have any fleet numbers. Checking flightaware.com a few months ago yielded some interesting information. Many of the IVPs I was looking at have no flight history. Are the owners parking their airplanes. It would be interesting to post a survey online here and find out answers to these questions and more. How many of you have a flying Lancair? How many hours a year do you fly it? How many hours do you have make and model? (about 500 hours is a break point in accident statistics) Do you file and fly IFR? Do you take recurrent training? how often? with whom? in a Lancair? I will work on it and get back to you. Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C70891.DAC0FF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jeff, = etal,

 

Here is a list/count of the number = of Lancairs with airworthiness certificates based on the FAA registration = DB (as of this past Sept).

As you may know, the data there is = pretty messy (inconsistent coding) so a lot of intelligence was build into my = “best efforts” extract query to attempt to get quasi-accurate = data.

 

- The count is from the FAA DB and = so only includes US aircraft.

- The count only includes aircraft = that have any Lancair “like” wording in the FAA = make,model,description,etc
  (i.e 4, 4P, 4-P, L4, L4P, L4-P, IV, IVP, IV-P, LIV, LIVP, LIV-P, = Lancair, etc)

- The search was pretty inclusive, = I then manually reviewed/sifted/tagged them.

- The count only includes N-numbers = that have AW certs – it does not include n-numbers that are reserved = but have not yet been granted an AW cert

- There are probably a few aircraft = with AW certs that never flew (for whatever reason) – but this is = likely very small.

- The count includes N-numbers for = planes that have been destroyed – unless the n-number was reassigned = (then they are excluded)

- I’m a little uncertain = about how de-registered planes appear in the FAA DB, there are approx 100 Lancairs (various = models) without n-numbers??? (those are not included below)

I have never attempted to verify = the counts.  Perhaps KimL or someone at Lancair can validate = it.

 

Despite my efforts, I’m sure = I’ve missed some.

 

      =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;

CountbyType

Code =   .

DESCRIPTION  .

CountOfN-NUMBER  = .

20=

200

6

21=

210

1

23=

235

89

29=

290

1

32=

320

192

36=

360

117

E<= o:p>

ES=

79

4<= o:p>

IV=

80

4P=

IV-P

180

4T=

IV-T

31

L<= o:p>

LEGACY

105

T<= o:p>

TIGRESS

1

 

 

FYI, the total is = 882

Given that my best efforts query = has still missed some, I’d guess we’re in the 900’s somewhere = overall.

Given that some (50-100???) are = overseas the “global” number is probably somewhere over = 1000.

Given that 100’ish have been = (seemed to have been) de-registered (no current n-number) perhaps this makes the = “over 1000” even more likely.

 

If this is right, the 1000’th = Lancair flying probably happened sometime recently (last year or = so)

Would be nice to figure out who = that was and have a party!

 

Perhaps I’m, way off = ???

 

Rick = Titsworth

ES – back to = work.

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of VTAILJEFF@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November = 14, 2006 11:39 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: = Lancair down in Georgia

 

In a message dated 11/14/2006 = 9:29:58 PM Central Standard Time, rienk.ayers@sreyaaviation.com = writes:

what percentages are those of the = flying fleet (of each type)? That would give another perspective on the = accident rates.

 

=

I do not have any fleet numbers. = Checking flightaware.com a few months ago yielded some interesting information. = Many of the IVPs I was looking at have no flight history. Are the owners parking = their airplanes. It would be interesting to post a survey online here and find = out answers to these questions and more.

 

=

How many of you have a flying = Lancair?

 

=

How many hours a year do you = fly it?

 

=

How many hours do you have make = and model? (about 500 hours is a break point in accident = statistics)

 

=

Do you file and fly IFR? =

 

=

Do you take recurrent training? = how often? with whom? in a Lancair?

 

=

I will work on it and get back to = you.

 

=

Jeff

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