X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gypsy.chameleonengineering.com ([66.197.155.165] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTPS id 1566471 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:03:48 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.197.155.165; envelope-from=rienk.ayers@sreyaaviation.com Received: from pool-71-102-240-58.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net ([71.102.240.58] helo=Rienklaptop1) by gypsy.chameleonengineering.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1GkB3h-0005i1-MO for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:03:30 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Rienk Ayers" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Lancair down in Georgia X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 19:03:20 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <009001c70862$9d223370$6401a8c0@Rienklaptop1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C7081F.8EFEF370" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 In-Reply-To: X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gypsy.chameleonengineering.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sreyaaviation.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C7081F.8EFEF370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, what percentages are those of the flying fleet (of each type)? That = would give another perspective on the accident rates. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of VTAILJEFF@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:13 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Lancair down in Georgia In a message dated 11/14/2006 6:08:33 PM Central Standard Time, MSmith982@mn.rr.com writes: Regardless of cause, it seems to me there is a higher rate of turbine Lancairs crashing than the standard piston versions- some for good = reasons and some for not so clear. I don=92t have access to exact numbers of = flying type=92s hours and so on- but the turbine crashes have taken a front row = seat. That is why one can=92t get turbine insurance in Minnesota. I would = like to understand the why and what in that equation. As of 8 June 2006 there were 4 IVP turbine accidents reported/ 25 IV accidents and 6 straight IV accidents. I know because I keep a set of = books on this and brief the Lancair group every year at OSH on this. One = turbine involved an engine failure but it was an Allied Signal engine. Since = June there havs been two additional turbine accidents and one reported IVP accident. Check it out at HYPERLINK "http://www.ntsb.gov"www.ntsb.gov =20 Insurance for a turbine in Minnesota has nothing to do with Minnesota. = It has a lot to do with your flying experience, hull value, risk, etc. AIG = is writing turbine insurance IF you have enough experience and have your aircraft inspected by Lancair (one time) and you get Lancair approved = flight training, recurrent training within 6 months and annually thereafter. =20 Best regards, =20 Jeff Edwards LIVP N619SJ Lancair Instructor --=20 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.28/518 - Release Date: = 11/4/2006 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C7081F.8EFEF370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Jeff,
what percentages are those of the = flying=20 fleet (of each type)? That would give another perspective on the = accident=20 rates.
 
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From: Lancair = Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 VTAILJEFF@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 6:13=20 PM
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In a message dated 11/14/2006 6:08:33 PM Central Standard Time,=20 MSmith982@mn.rr.com writes:
Regardless of=20 cause, it seems to me there is a higher rate of turbine Lancairs = crashing=20 than the standard piston versions- some for good reasons and some = for not so=20 clear. I don=92t have access to exact numbers of flying type=92s = hours and so=20 on- but the turbine crashes have taken a front row seat.  That = is why=20 one can=92t get turbine insurance in Minnesota.   I would = like to=20 understand the why and what in that=20 equation.
As of 8 June 2006 there were 4 IVP turbine accidents reported/ 25 = IV=20 accidents and 6 straight IV accidents. I know because I keep a set of = books on=20 this and brief the Lancair group every year at OSH on this. One = turbine=20 involved an engine failure but it was an Allied Signal engine. Since = June=20 there havs been two additional turbine accidents and one reported = IVP=20 accident. Check it out at  www.ntsb.gov
 
Insurance for a turbine in Minnesota has nothing to do with = Minnesota. It=20 has a lot to do with your flying experience, hull value, risk, etc. = AIG is=20 writing turbine insurance IF you have enough experience and have your = aircraft=20 inspected by Lancair (one time) and you get Lancair approved flight = training,=20 recurrent training within 6 months and annually thereafter.
 
Best regards,
 
Jeff Edwards
LIVP N619SJ
Lancair Instructor

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