X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 12:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mtao03.charter.net ([209.225.8.188] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1564650 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:53:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.8.188; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from aa06.charter.net ([10.20.200.158]) by mtao03.charter.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20061114155255.QIHB1480.mtao03.charter.net@aa06.charter.net> for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:52:55 -0500 Received: from axs ([75.132.198.100]) by aa06.charter.net with SMTP id <20061114155255.YDJT17096.aa06.charter.net@axs> for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:52:55 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <00be01c70804$f3e4fbb0$6501a8c0@axs> From: "terrence o'neill" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Turbine crash X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 09:52:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C707D2.A91FAB20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2905 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C707D2.A91FAB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff, Yes. Brings back memories from Whiting Field, FL 1954, SNJ recovery = from unusual attitudes partial-panel - Stop the turn (step on the = ball), Level the wings and recover. Two years later the Navy put AOAs in every carrier plane and cut = landing accidents 50 percent (50%) the first year. Stop the turn, dump = the AOA to below stall SNGLE, and recover quicker. Wings stall at an ANGLE, regardless of airspeed, etc. =20 But the FAA and pilots still are talking about stall SPEED, 50 years = later. It seems hopeless. Terrence L235/320 N211AL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 05:13 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Turbine crash In a message dated 11/13/2006 3:15:09 PM Central Standard Time, = Sky2high@aol.com writes: Regardless of how the engine stopped, the way the emergency was = handled seems to be important.=20 Scott, You are a genius. It seems that powered pilots when faced with an = engine out situation tend to fly until: a) they hit something or b) they run out of airspeed and stall the airplane. Most aircraft accidents I investigate and pilots I see in flight = training or in FAA checkrides are not capable of determining how far = they can glide and whether or not they can make it to their chosen = landing site. Most pilots do not know how to spiral over their landing = site, arrive at a suitable high key and low key postion and land within = 200 feet of their chosen point. This is important stuff-- but many = pilots do not know how to do it and many do not practice it regularly. = It is not hard stuff. If a 14 year old soloing in a glider can do it why = can't an adult pilot do it in a Lancair? This guy wasn't even close. = Flying is like golf...if you don't practice regularly, how can you = expect to shoot par? Jeff Edwards LIVP N619SJ ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01C707D2.A91FAB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jeff,

= Yes. Brings=20 back memories from Whiting Field, FL 1954, SNJ recovery from unusual = attitudes=20 partial-panel - Stop the turn (step on the ball), Level the wings = and=20 recover.

Two years = later the=20 Navy put AOAs in every carrier plane and cut landing accidents 50 = percent (50%)=20 the first year. Stop the turn, dump the AOA to below stall SNGLE, and = recover=20 quicker.

Wings = stall at an=20 ANGLE, regardless of airspeed, etc.

But = the FAA=20 and pilots still are talking about stall SPEED, 50 years = later. It=20 seems hopeless.

Terrence

L235/320 N211AL

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 = 05:13=20 PM

Subject: [LML] Re: Turbine = crash

In a message dated 11/13/2006 3:15:09 PM Central Standard Time, = Sky2high@aol.com writes:
Regardless of how the engine stopped, the way the emergency = was=20 handled seems to be important.

Scott,

You are a genius. It seems that powered pilots when faced with an = engine=20 out situation tend to fly until:

a) they hit something or

b) they run out of airspeed and stall the airplane.

Most aircraft accidents I investigate and pilots I see in flight = training=20 or in FAA checkrides are not capable of determining how far they can = glide and=20 whether or not they can make it to their chosen landing site. Most = pilots do=20 not know how to spiral over their landing site, arrive at a suitable = high key=20 and low key postion and land within 200 feet of their chosen point. = This is=20 important stuff-- but many pilots do not know how to do it and many do = not=20 practice it regularly. It is not hard stuff. If a 14 year old soloing = in a=20 glider can do it why can't an adult pilot do it in a Lancair? This guy = wasn't=20 even close. Flying is like golf...if you don't practice regularly, how = can you=20 expect to shoot par?

Jeff Edwards

LIVP N619SJ

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