X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:43:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with SMTP id 1562781 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:54:02 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.142.198.207; envelope-from=rfreilich@sbcglobal.net Received: (qmail 86404 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2006 02:53:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-reply-to; b=xgZWyGjd6wFIdpUv5/uyI9fvfdamwOKfD/tIxb+2btS1jJwHwWljSKcJiZikz7+nBSafBCMVvZAi1e2oE9A6/1jp3NGYtbJEcsXikKa+TV/3digp0wElxqmC57yGZZU0252EcRT5QF6hrRY0Q4AQL7XOeYKVxfhOJWHJXxcU7fU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO haliv) (rfreilich@sbcglobal.net@69.151.248.39 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2006 02:53:42 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: IVMWPBUVM1lJbzbaaLPFMXCS_soPehxxmMmwhEr25e.zndMchODLbnJnihDFtV5t9yU_YCWEGPjWe1CB8nOilzZnhVr3HQmK0vt1cmYxR3DnfQDZG0SC8A-- From: "Richard" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Down anywhere !! X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 20:53:35 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <014801c70798$14747b70$6400a8c0@haliv> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: AccHNfirm53VexoeTxa/eVwkRAjTaAAYFx2A In-reply-to: Listen to the engine - if louder PULL power, NEUTRALIZE ailerons, STEP ON THE SKY and GENTLY pull back on the yoke. "Step on the sky" means, look at the AI and see which foot to use. Don Wylie - God rest his soul, was a tireless proponent of upset training. I was lucky enough to attend several of his seminars. Too bad his last ride was not up to the task and no amount of skill could overcome airframe fatigue. Please, please, please get training in unusual attitudes. The muscle memory and practiced coordination may well turn a fatal situation into just a wet spot on the seat. Richard Freilich -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tom Gourley Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:11 AM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Down anywhere !! Don Skeele wrote: "You know, I really don't know which of my steam/vacuum/electric gauges did much good. I remember fighting the A/P, then dumping it, (this took a bit to scan and realize I was in deep caca), (probably 3 or 4 seconds), the gyro, understandably had tumbled, airspeed nil, turn coordinator pegged.. then pulled power to idle, kinda neutralized the stick and aerilons, and tramped hard on the rudder the way that reduced the G forces, rotation stopped, airspeed built up and I rember my Spin insturctor impressing on me to pull out slowly" I've never had spin training (but I will before I finish my Legacy) and the only spins I've been in were a few intentional ones riding with another pilot in his Decathalon several years ago. I recently read an article titled "Spin Masters" in the August 2006 edition of AOPA Pilot magazine. One statement in the article really caught my attention. In a spin (a real spin, not a spiral) "the ball will deflect to the side of the airplane in which the turn coordinator is located in the panel, away from the airplanes's center of gravity, regardless of the direction of the spin." I don't recall ever being told that before. That means if you spin in IMC you can't use the ball to tell you which rudder to step on. That's something to remember. Tom Gourley -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/