Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #38225
From: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Prop Feathering
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 23:30:49 -0400
To: <lml>


Posted for "rtitsworth" <rtitsworth@mindspring.com>:

 Kevin,
 
 
 
 Nice write-up from McCauley (below, along with my original off-list reply),
 although the McCauley blurb is also a bit confusing in that:
 
 1. McCauley calls a normal (non-feathering) prop a "constant speed prop"
 (which is the commonly used term), but a feathering prop/governor is
 technically also a constant speed device.
 
 2. McCauley inter-mixes the feathering and non-feathering pictures (which
 keeps the reader guessing until you figure out that feathering is shown with
 blue oil and constant speed with red oil.  Then, on the first governor
 picture they switch to yellow oil (go figure).
 
 
 
 I now understand that you're looking for:  A normal (non-feathering) prop
 with an accumulator that is rigged to engage (open) at the low RPM prop
 control setting (high oil pressure) such that it would force the prop to a
 high pitch setting (low rpm) even if the oil pump/governor was not working
 (supplying oil pressure), such as in an engine-out (or oil loss) scenario.
 
 
 
 I'm not a prop expert, but I haven't heard of this arrangement/setup.
 However, given all the various configurations that have been attempted
 throughout aviation history, I would be surprised if someone hadn't tried it
 (or something like it) sometime/somewhere before.  I'm assuming this would
 be a normal (non-feathering) prop with a custom governor/accumulator
 arrangement (i.e. nothing special with the prop, just the
 governor/accumulator).  Would be interested to see/hear what others know.
 
 
 
 One concern might be how much oil is "leaked" back out of the prop/governor
 oil channel in the crank (and into the oil sump) at the front crank bearing.
 I believe a small amount of leakage there is typical and normally not an
 issue as the governor just supplies more oil/pressure and the "leakage" is
 all internal to the engine (back to the sump). In an engine out (or governor
 failure) scenario, this "leakage" would cause the prop/accumulator to loose
 pressure (overtime) and thus fall back to the low pitch (high drag) setting
 anyway (eventually).  This is not an issue with the accumulator setup on a
 feathering prop, since the accumulator is only used to get the prop out of
 feather for restarting, which is a short term event.
 
 
 
 Note: That depending on how the accumulator system was implemented, it would
 still not be fully fail safe (seems nothing is), since an oil loss failure
 in the governor and/or the prop hub would simply exhaust/leak the high
 pressure oil from the accumulator without applying the pressure to the prop
 and thus the prop would return to the low pitch (high rpm, high drag)
 condition.  This isn't all bad in that it is no worse than not having the
 accumulator in the first place and a governor failure on take off (the most
 critical failure in a feathering prop) would result in a low pitch setting
 (desirable) like it normally does with a non-feathering prop.
 
 
 
 I would be curious as to whether it would be possible to "make" a
 counterweighted Hartzel by starting with a feathering prop, setting the
 stops to prevent full feather and removing the unnecessary accumulator and
 ground lock-out pins.  This of course might be considered a non-certified
 engine/prop combination and thus require 40 vs 25 hours phase 1 testing.
 
 
 
 I've also heard of electric governor/prop pitch setups (rather than oil),
 but know little (nothing) about them.  Seems if you have enough battery
 juice, an electric system could position/maintain the prop in either setting
 regardless of the engine/oil system health.  However, the question then
 becomes "if I have an electrical system failure - which way do I want the
 prop to fall/move to".  Seems the answer would be fine pitch (flat) to cover
 a sudden electrical/governor failure at takeoff.  An in-flight
 electrical/governor failure (with the engine still working) is not much of
 an emergency per say even if the prop drops to fine pitch automatically
 (just pull some throttle out to prevent an overspeed).  Perhaps the
 electrical systems work more like a servo and don't move freely in either
 direction - which would seem fine too (in most scenarios).
 
 
 
 Rick
 
 ES/TSIO550 - building (with MT counterweighted prop)
 
 
 
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