X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 21:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 1084447 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 12:16:38 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.141; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 7570CEB3EA for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:15:46 -0700 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: AOA X-Original-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 09:15:46 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB6072037256A5@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: lml Digest #1587 Thread-Index: AcZqqwCObzfuk9p3T7m/kSK+nBG8AQAMRETg From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Apr 2006 16:15:46.0256 (UTC) FILETIME=[0187B500:01C66ADF] Skip writes: <> OK, I buy AOA to determine optimum lift and I can see it in a rolling = scissors (where you were probably not right at the edge of stall) but I = bet you didn't look at it mutch when you were going for max turn in = close or in a straight scissors with the target hidden under your nose. = Since we don't do ACM (do we?) in Lancairs, the need to determine = optimum lift is probably limited to the example you cite and I agree = that AOA would be something I would kick myself for not having if I was = engine out and needed max glide (a condition that should be avoided = wherever possible by prudent flight planning, with or without AOA.) = What I don't buy is that it should be used as the primary way to = determine if you are about to stall. Another response to my post says = that experimentals give little stall warning. That perception results = from the standard civilian training that stall warning consists of = buffet. But long before you get to buffet, there are all kinds of other = warnings (at least at anything under 2g.) The stick gets mushy, control = in all three axes takes a lot more input and response slows down and = becomes less predictable. Even at high g, there are a number of warning = signs before the airplane turns into a manhole cover and, as you know, = at high g, you can instantaneously solve the problem by easing off on = the g. Each airplane is different but I never flew one that didn't have = the signs. I am all for AOAs UNLESS they are relied on as a substitute = for knowing how your airplane behaves within 5 kts. of a stall in = various configurations, which I think is an essential element of = training.