X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:38:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 996550 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:08:42 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.136; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id q.230.7729c61 (57341) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:07:52 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <230.7729c61.312ffcb8@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:07:52 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Roseville Glasair crash X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1140761272" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1140761272 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en =20 In a message dated 2/23/2006 11:22:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, =20 sportform@cox.net writes: BTW, Jeff, aerobatics only requires parachutes if you are carrying a =20 passenger. Then the chute you're wearing must be current. I don't=20 sleep with the FAR's, so I can't quote the reg., but I'm sure you can=20 find it..... Gentlemen, gentlemen - Marquis d' Queensbury rules apply. =20 Please note that aerobatic flight is defined below as maneuvers abnormally=20 unnecessary for "normal" flight - no parachute required. 91.307 only requi= res=20 parachutes if somebody is crazy enough to go along on a flight that=20 specifically exceeds 60 degree banks or +/- 30 degrees of pitch unless they= are a=20 crew member, CFI or ATP. I guess that is because they don't scream as loud= ,=20 even without a parachute to clutch.=20 =20 Is an overhead approach abnormal? =20 Why is abnormal acceleration aerobatic but when you go for a ride with a =20 rocket racer pilot you don't have to wear a parachute?=20 =20 =C2=A7 91.303 Aerobatic flight.=20 No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight=E2=80=94 =20 (a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement; =20 (b) Over an open air assembly of persons; =20 (c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class C,=20= =20 Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;=20 (d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;=20 (e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or=20 (f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.=20 For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional =20 maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal =20 attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight.=20 =20 =20 =20 =C2=A7 91.307 Parachutes and parachuting. ........................ =20 (c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, n= o=20 pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may= =20 execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds=E2=80=94 =20 (1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or =20 (2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon. =20 (d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to=E2=80=94 =20 (1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or =20 (2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any =20 certificate or rating when given by=E2=80=94 =20 (i) A certificated flight instructor; or =20 (ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance with =C2=A761.67 o= f this=20 chapter. =20 Grayhawk=20 -------------------------------1140761272 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en

In a message dated 2/23/2006 11:22:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 sportform@cox.net writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>BTW,=20 Jeff, aerobatics only requires parachutes if you are carrying a=20
passenger. Then the chute you're wearing must be current. =20= I=20 don't
sleep with the FAR's, so I can't quote the reg., but I'm sure&nb= sp;=20 you can
find it.....

Gentlemen, gentlemen - Marquis d' Queensbury rules apply.

Please note that aerobatic flight is defined below as=20 maneuvers abnormally unnecessary for "normal" flight - no parachut= e=20 required. 91.307 only requires parachutes if somebody is crazy en= ough=20 to go along on a flight that specifically exceeds 60 degree banks or +/- 30=20 degrees of pitch unless they are a crew member, CFI or ATP. I guess th= at=20 is because they don't scream as loud, even without a parachute to=20 clutch.

Is an overhead approach abnormal?

Why is abnormal acceleration aerobatic but when you go for a ride with=20= a=20 rocket racer pilot you don't have to wear a parachute?

=C2=A7 91.303 Aerobatic flight.

No person may operate an aircraft in aerobatic flight=E2=80=94

(a) Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement;

(b) Over an open air assembly of persons;

(c) Within the lateral boundaries of the surface areas of Class B, Class=20= C,=20 Class D, or Class E airspace designated for an airport;

(d) Within 4 nautical miles of the center line of any Federal airway;

(e) Below an altitude of 1,500 feet above the surface; or

(f) When flight visibility is less than 3 statute miles.

For the purposes of this section, aerobatic flight means an intentional=20 maneuver involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's attitude, an abnormal=20 attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight.

=C2=A7 91.307 Parachutes and parachuting.

........................

(c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute= , no=20 pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember) may=20 execute any intentional maneuver that exceeds=E2=80=94

(1) A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon; or

(2) A nose-up or nose-down attitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon= .=20

(d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to=E2=80=94

(1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or

(2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any=20 certificate or rating when given by=E2=80=94

(i) A certificated flight instructor; or

(ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance with =C2=A761.6= 7 of this=20 chapter.

Grayhawk

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