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From: Barry Hancock <sportform@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Roseville Glasair crash


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On Feb 22, 2006, at 9:37 PM, VTAILJEFF@aol.com wrote:

> This then gets into a discussion about aerobatics in the traffic=20
> pattern and (see=A0 below 14CFR91.103). If one were to exceed 30 =
degrees=20
> pitch or 60 degrees bank then parachutes would be required see (14CFR=20=

> 91.307)(at this altitude, I doubt it would matter --even if you had an=20=

> aft hinged canopy which most Legacy's and 200-300 series Lancairs=20
> don't).
> =A0
> So Lynn and Barry, the ball is back in your court. I challenge you=20
> guys to do the math or look up some regulations and support your case.

Level Overhead break:

1000'-1500' AGL, 200 KIAS, approx. 18" MAP depending on decent, 60=20
degree pitchout & 2'G's (i.e. level turn), speed breaks out, MAP 11",=20
roll out on downwind at approx 165 kts and 1000' AGL, flaps 10, 140=20
kts. gear down, downwind abeam ("the perch") and coming up on 110 kts.=20=

full flaps, check 3 green, turn towards numbers and land.

Under the right circumstances, either approved by the tower or with no=20=

traffic conflicts at an uncontrolled airport, this is efficient, safe,=20=

and does not require a parachute.  ;)

BTW, Jeff, aerobatics only requires parachutes if you are carrying a=20
passenger.  Then the chute you're wearing must be current.  I don't=20
sleep with the FAR's, so I can't quote the reg., but I'm sure  you can=20=

find it.....

Love,

Barry

PS  I have the Chelton which gives me AOA, but if you are going to be=20
maneuvering your aircraft at high angles of bank and near the edge of=20
the envelope, I sure hope you're aerobatics competent and are relying=20
on more than just a cockpit indication.  The traffic pattern is not the=20=

place to be flying on the ragged edge, unless you're a bush pilot!  ;)=

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On Feb 22, 2006, at 9:37 PM, VTAILJEFF@aol.com wrote:


<excerpt><fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>This then gets into
a discussion about aerobatics in the traffic pattern and (see=A0 below
14CFR91.103). If one were to exceed 30 degrees pitch or 60 degrees
bank then parachutes would be required see (14CFR 91.307)(at this
altitude, I doubt it would matter --even if you had an aft hinged
canopy which most Legacy's and 200-300 series Lancairs =
don't).</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>=A0</smaller></fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><smaller>So Lynn and Barry, the ball
is back in your court. I challenge you guys to do the math or look up
some regulations and support your case.

</smaller></fontfamily></excerpt>

Level Overhead break:


1000'-1500' AGL, 200 KIAS, approx. 18" MAP depending on decent, 60
degree pitchout & 2'G's (i.e. level turn), speed breaks out, MAP 11",
roll out on downwind at approx 165 kts and 1000' AGL, flaps 10, 140
kts. gear down, downwind abeam ("the perch") and coming up on 110 kts.
full flaps, check 3 green, turn towards numbers and land.


Under the right circumstances, either approved by the tower or with no
traffic conflicts at an uncontrolled airport, this is efficient, safe,
and does not require a parachute.  ;)


BTW, Jeff, aerobatics only requires parachutes if you are carrying a
passenger.  Then the chute you're wearing must be current.  I don't
sleep with the FAR's, so I can't quote the reg., but I'm sure  you can
find it.....


Love,


Barry


PS  I have the Chelton which gives me AOA, but if you are going to be
maneuvering your aircraft at high angles of bank and near the edge of
the envelope, I sure hope you're aerobatics competent and are relying
on more than just a cockpit indication.  The traffic pattern is not
the place to be flying on the ragged edge, unless you're a bush pilot!=20=

;)=

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