Jeff,

Have you ever sought professional psychotherapy help?  You're need to
be heard/right is insufferable.  What you don't realize is that you
only serve to discredit your own case when you use splattered oranges
to argue why pumpkin pie is bad for you...

Barry

Barry,

 

I appreciate your above comments and thoughtful insight into this discussion. The purpose of this forum is to discuss items of interest be it building, flying, Lancairs, experitmental, etc. This forum includes items related to aviation safety. If you do not want to participate, fine. Hit the delete key. The only person(s)  who brought discredit onto our aviation community and smaller experimental community is the pilot(s) of the Roseville Glasair. I am simply the messenger. 98% of what was posted was straight out of the paper.

 

Unfortunately, their actions bring reactions from within and without the aviation community that we (the pilot community) have to bear:

 

1. Insurance will not be cheaper. If you're not bitching here about his actions and similar actions we have been discussing then don't bitch when you get your premium notice next year.

2. Regulations may get tighter--- the LA FSDO announced plans last year restricting flights by experimental amateur built aircraft over populated ares-- this won't help.

3. AOPA is going to Sacramento this weekend to put on a presentation about the hazards of "maneuvering flight" to other local pilots there who might be similarly minded.

4. EAA and the FAA public relations folks are trying to smooth ruffled feathers because some knuckleheads think the regulations do not apply to themselves.

 

What this guy did in Roseville was stupid -- It was beyond stupid,  it was gross negligence. IMHO its not a pumkin pie/ splattered orange comparison. If this pilot was willing to do aerobatics over his neighborhood I'll bet he was probably shining his ass elsewhere and a bunch of his buddies are now telling the NTSB  he did it at the home field all the time-- How do I know? As an aircraft accident investigator I have seen it many times before.

 

In recent years we have lost pilots and passengers from thunderstorm penetration (Sterling Ainsworth, Wendell Durr, & others); failing to apply basic airworthiness standards (Shannon Knoepflin, Tony Durrizzi) and loss of control/ stall spin (Chuck Brenner). My message has always been to fly within the regulations and the advisory material. The above people did not think these things applied to them. How do I know? I counselled Shannon on numerous occasions about airworthiness. The last time at Oshkosh less than 24 hours before he took off on his fatal flight. Shannon thought he knew everything with his 300 hours of flight time and you could not tell him anything. I was parked next to Sterling Ainsworth at Oshkosh this past year-- a week before he was killed flying into a thunderstorm.  He was just an older, richer  version of Shannon. I spoke to both the NTSB investigator and the Canadian investiagtor in their cases and passed along what I knew of their situations. Several others already spoke to them as well.

 

The bottom line is this. I have always counselled pilots to follow the regs, the advisory circular material, etc. Opposing views say that this stuff does not apply. I then quote the regulation/AC/ whatever  for the benefit of the group who may not be familiar with it. (Sound familiar?) Then somebody goes out and splats themselves doing something like Chuck Brenner or this Roseville guy did and a few guys say, "I knew him, he was my best friend, what could have gone so wrong?" (Still sound familiar) I then say, "I told you so." And you say, "Jeff, You heartless bastard."

 

If you do not think regulations and advisory material does not apply to you-- then fine, good luck.

 

Jeff