X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:39:35 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from secure5.liveoakhosting.com ([64.49.254.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.5) with ESMTPS id 906270 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 11:28:07 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.49.254.21; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com Received: (qmail 23819 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2005 10:27:12 -0600 Received: from ip68-108-237-23.br.no.cox.net (HELO ?10.0.1.4?) (68.108.237.23) by rs5.liveoakhosting.com with SMTP; 30 Dec 2005 10:27:12 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-886250437 X-Original-Message-Id: <92307bef5254466cb503833f66f4a97a@advancedpilot.com> From: Walter Atkinson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Where has all the power gone? X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 10:22:36 -0600 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) --Apple-Mail-5-886250437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Brent: Correct. I would to your list of factors affecting detonation, the=20 lantecy period of the fuel. That's a biggie. Walter On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Brent Regan wrote: Ron asks: "Retarding the spark timing helps to prevent detonation. If turning=20 off one mag has the same effect as retarding the timing (as you stated=20= above), wouldn't running on one mag help to prevent detonation rather=20 than contribute to it?" People tend to think of the ignition / combustion event as=20 instantaneous but it is not. It is a process that takes time and=20 involves a flame front that propagates across the combustion chamber.=A0=20= If we define the combustion process starting at the crank angle when an=20= arc is established across the electrodes of the plug and finishing at=20 the crank angle when 95% of the fuel is burned then we can calculate=20 the crank angle that is half way between these points, call it the=20 median. If the combustion process takes longer then the median occurs=20 later, retarding the overall combustion process even though the static=20= ignition timing has not changed. Generally, detonation seems to be a function of heat, radiation and=20 TIME. Firing two plugs reduces the time and starting the process later=20= reduces the heat and radiation. During runup, turning off one ignition source has the same effect on=20= RPM as retarding the timing in this case but the static timing remains=20= the same. Regards Brent Regan =20= --Apple-Mail-5-886250437 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Brent: =20 Correct. I would to your list of factors affecting detonation, the lantecy period of the fuel. That's a biggie. Walter On Dec 29, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Brent Regan wrote: ArialRon asks: Arial "Retarding the spark timing helps to prevent detonation. If turning off one mag has the same effect as retarding the timing (as you stated above), wouldn't running on one mag help to prevent detonation rather than contribute to = it?" Arial People tend to think of the ignition / combustion event as instantaneous but it is not. It is a process that takes time and involves a flame front that propagates across the combustion chamber.=A0 If we define the combustion process starting at the crank angle when an arc is established across the electrodes of the plug and finishing at the crank angle when 95% of the fuel is burned then we can calculate the crank angle that is half way between these points, call it the median. If the combustion process takes longer then the median occurs later, retarding the overall combustion process even though the static ignition timing has not = changed. Arial Generally, detonation seems to be a function of heat, radiation and TIME. Firing two plugs reduces the time and starting the process later reduces the heat and radiation. = Arial During runup, turning off one ignition source has the same effect on RPM as retarding the timing in this case but the static timing remains the same. = Arial Regards Arial Brent Regan =20= --Apple-Mail-5-886250437--