X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:52:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [206.246.194.60] (HELO visi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c7) with ESMTP id 793030 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:58:23 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.246.194.60; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from [68.113.209.166] (HELO boblaptop2) by visi.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2) with SMTP id 105329808 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:57:22 -0500 From: "Robert R Pastusek" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: TCAD Antenna's on a Legacy X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:54:08 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Barry Knotts/Craig Bergland wrote: I'm building a IV-P and I'm starting to install stuff in the lower half of the fuselage. That brings up antenna placement and I'm pretty ignorant of what I need to plan for. I'm not planning on TCAD or a stormscope now, so that will simplify things. I like the idea of hidden antennas, but I like good communications even better. I've been discouraged about some of the internal antennas...but mostly I've been confused about conflicting posts on LML. Here's my current take of my planned antenna needs: ELT - under glass portion of turtle deck TRANSPONDER - external antenna on belly (with ground plane) GS1 - external strip antenna at left wing root GS2 - external strip antenna at right wing root COM1 - belly whip (with ground plane) COM2 - belly whip (with ground plane) NAV1 - vertical stab NAV2 - ? GPS & satellite radio antennas - under the glass portion of the turtle deck. Barry/Craig, I'm not an authority, but my study gave the following additional information: The com radio receivers on the ground are vertically polarized, so the antennnae in the aircraft should likewise be vertically polarized to yield best comms. I have a fiberglass vertical stab, and installed a simple aluminum strip antenna inside. I've heard mixed reviews on it's effectiveness; these are pretty efficient designs; I expect performance is highly affected by installation and wiring? In addition to this one, I put a whip antenna between the gear legs with a large AL ground plane inside the carbon fiber belly for my second comm antenna. Main argument is that it's serviceable/replaceable... The ground nav systems are horizontally polarized, so the nav antennae in your airplane need to match. The bottoms of my winglets are made of fiberglass (rest is carbon fiber) to accomodate the nav antennae. I originally put one in each winglet, but later took one out to install a retractable landing light. Rationale was that I expect to primarily use GPS, and thought one Nav antenna sufficient... In any case, I wouldn't recommend using the vertical stab for a nav antenna. Should be a good place for a comm antenna however. If you're not installing winglets, consider a second whip antenna on the belly. Keep all the antennae on the belly as far as possible apart and you'll do fine. Comm forward as you can install the largest ground plane up there; transponder antenna in the back as it only needs about an 8" ground plane, and curving it to the fuselage will only minimally affect performance to the sides of the airplane. GPS and satellite radios need minimal obstruction to work properly. I hate to blaspheme in this distinguished forum, but I'm putting my GPS antenna on top of the cabin where the connection and mounting can be accessed through the overhead panel. Rationale is that my BlueMountain uses the GPS to stabilize it's other functions, and maintenance of a good/continuous signals (there are typically several comming from different satellites simultaneously) is important to me. Any antenna you put under the glare shield will be blanked to part of the sky; if it's important to have continuous coverage, move it to the top of the airplane. I considered putting the GPS antenna in the top forward part of my vertical--they are typically small enough--but closed and painted that area long ago. That might be an option for you? Hope this helps. Bob Pastusek