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X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:44:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.4.199] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTP id 684133 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:39:43 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.206.4.199; envelope-from=barkerasset@earthlink.net Received: from OFFICE2004 (ool-44c6358d.dyn.optonline.net [68.198.53.141]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-2.06 (built May 11 2005)) with SMTP id <0ILW00B1XEOXHMEB@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:38:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:38:59 -0400 From: Bob Barker Subject: Re: flying into Thunderstorms X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-id: <004501c5ab47$5a812d10$6401a8c0@OFFICE2004> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8n5MvW7+m3Uagy1ZLRhCeA)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8n5MvW7+m3Uagy1ZLRhCeA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message"Moderate and in some situations, light icing buildup can be an emergency situation. I have fought the battles with ATC here in New England many times over altitude changes needed to get me out of icing. Most times they come through and allow me to climb (yes, my first reaction to ice is to climb). On one occasion, in moderate icing, I had to use the 'E' word, cleared things right up. No paperwork involved." Bruce, thats the whole story. I have an Ice checklist. I am going to add Declare Emergency if Appropriate to the list. I suspect there have been circumstances where controllers have wondered why the pilot has not done so. It is not the controllers call. I have never heard of a case where the FAA has violated a pilot for flying into ice when the pilot declared an emergency and there was no accident. And if you do have an accident due to icing the chances are a violation will not be necessary. Thus, according to Pascals theory declaring the emergency is the pilots best option. It's a matter of judgement. We do not want to make controllers scatter traffic because some scary pants FLIB declared an emergency when a little rime accumulated on an OAT probe but neither should we fear the FAA nor try to be heros in the face of the unknown. If you are really uncomfortable, do what you have to do to be safe. AVEMCO and the rest of us will appreciate it. Bob Barker --Boundary_(ID_8n5MvW7+m3Uagy1ZLRhCeA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message

"Moderate and in some situations, light icing buildup can be an emergency situation. I have fought the battles with ATC here in New England many times over altitude changes needed to get me out of icing. Most times they come through and allow me to climb (yes, my first reaction to ice is to climb). On one occasion, in moderate icing, I had to use the 'E' word, cleared things right up. No paperwork involved."

Bruce, thats the whole story. I have an Ice checklist. I am going to add Declare Emergency if Appropriate to the list.

I suspect there have been circumstances where controllers have wondered why the pilot has not done so. It is not the controllers call.

I have never heard of a case where the FAA has violated a pilot for flying into ice when the pilot declared an emergency and there was no accident. And if you do have an accident due to icing the chances are a violation will not be necessary. Thus, according to Pascals theory declaring the emergency is the pilots best option.

It's a matter of judgement. We do not want to make controllers scatter traffic because some scary pants FLIB declared an emergency when a little rime accumulated on an OAT probe but neither should we fear the FAA nor try to be heros in the face of the unknown. If you are really uncomfortable, do what you have to do to be safe. AVEMCO and the rest of us will appreciate it.

Bob Barker

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