X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.glasair.org ([65.75.24.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTPS id 682481 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:47:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.75.24.102; envelope-from=Bruce@glasair.org Received: from bruce1 by mail.glasair.org (VisNetic.MailServer.v7.2.4.0) with ESMTP id JEA37886 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:00:08 -0400 From: "Bruce Gray" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: flying into Thunderstorms X-Original-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:48:52 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <007301c5a9f9$74fd8610$0a01a8c0@bruce1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C5A9D7.EDEBE610" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C5A9D7.EDEBE610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Moderate and in some situations, light icing buildup can be an emergency situation. I have fought the battles with ATC here in New England many = times over altitude changes needed to get me out of icing. Most times they = come through and allow me to climb (yes, my first reaction to ice is to = climb). On one occasion, in moderate icing, I had to use the 'E' word, cleared things right up. No paperwork involved. =20 =20 Bruce www.glasair.org =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of colyncase on earthlink Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:28 AM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: flying into Thunderstorms Walter said, Why slog around in the nasty stuff if there's an alternative? ATC will = work with us to make that possible if we just take advantage of their capabilities and ask. As a CFII, I've discovered that a lot of = lower-time IFR pilots don't realize that. Work with 'em. =20 Has anyone had success in NYC area getting an altitude deviation due to = ice ?. =20 Colyn =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C5A9D7.EDEBE610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Moderate and in some situations, light icing buildup can be an = emergency=20 situation. I have fought the battles with ATC here in New England many = times=20 over altitude changes needed to get me out of icing. Most times they = come=20 through and allow me to climb (yes, my first reaction to ice is to = climb). On=20 one occasion, in moderate icing, I had to use the 'E' word, cleared = things right=20 up. No paperwork involved.
 
 

Bruce
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Walter said,

Why slog around in the nasty stuff if there's an = alternative? ATC=20 will work with us to make that possible if we just take advantage of = their=20 capabilities and ask. As a CFII, I've discovered that a lot of = lower-time IFR=20 pilots don't realize that. Work with 'em.
 
Has anyone had success in NYC area getting an altitude deviation = due to=20 ice ?.
 
Colyn
 
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