X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:33:26 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0c1) with ESMTP id 679962 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:35:34 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.139.136; envelope-from=VTAILJEFF@aol.com Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id q.1dd.43e5e72d (48624) for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:34:49 -0400 (EDT) From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <1dd.43e5e72d.303d36c9@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:34:49 EDT Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Single Pilot IFR X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1124850889" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1124850889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/23/2005 6:59:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: Some of the most experienced pilots (both generally and in Lancairs) have been involved in fatal Lancair accidents. In fact, I would guess that the statistics would show a higher risk among experienced high-performance Lancair pilots than among transitioners. John, I agree with your statements about lack of good judgement on the part of many of our mishap pilots. However, I do disagree with your statements about the experience level of the Lancair group. By and large we are a bifurcated group of pilots that are either high time, ex airline, ex military types or low time private pilots with very little time or experience and little training in the logbook. Shannon Knoepflin was a good example. Started building before he had a certificate. Less than 1000 hours total time. Less than 500 hours in make and model. The typical Lancair accident pilot is a private pilot with less than 1000 hours total time and less than 300 hours in make and model. The LIVP t-storm penetration -- 3 fatal-- last year was by a fellow that was not current with regards to instrument flying yet took off into deteriorating conditions. Yes, we have had some very experienced pilots wreck their aircraft but inexperience is right at the top in Lancair accidents. Regards, Jeff USN (ret.) btw what were you doing in T-33's and F102's -------------------------------1124850889 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/23/2005 6:59:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:
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John,
 
I agree with your statements about lack of good judgement on the part o= f=20 many of our mishap pilots. However, I do disagree with your statements about= the=20 experience level of the Lancair group. By and large we are a bifurcated grou= p of=20 pilots that are either high time, ex airline, ex military types or low time=20 private pilots with very little time or experience and little training=20= in=20 the logbook. Shannon Knoepflin was a good example. Started building before h= e=20 had a certificate. Less than 1000 hours total time. Less than 500 hours in m= ake=20 and model.
 
The typical Lancair accident pilot is a private pilot with less th= an=20 1000 hours total time and less than 300 hours in make and model.
 
The LIVP t-storm penetration -- 3 fatal-- last year was by a fellow tha= t=20 was not current with regards to instrument flying yet took off into=20 deteriorating conditions.
 
Yes, we have had some very experienced pilots wreck their aircraft but=20 inexperience is right at the top in Lancair accidents.
 
Regards,
 
Jeff
USN (ret.)
btw what were you doing in T-33's and F102's
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