X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.94.81.250] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 5.0c1) with HTTP id 679834 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:59:18 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Single Pilot IFR To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser v5.0c1 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:59:18 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB60721981A8@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> References: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB60721981A8@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Halle, John" : I agree with everything you say about the virtues of training except for the implication that it is a valid substitute for good judgment. As an ex-Navy pilot, I am the product of what is (along with the Airforce program) probably the best aviation training program on earth. At no point in that program was there any excuse for not knowing your airplane and its performace parameters cold. I absolutely subscribe to that principle. That said, training (at least the kind of emergency procedures training that we have been discussing in this forum recently) is what you rely on when you find yourself in an emergency. Judgment is what you use not to get there in the first place. After five years of reading Lancair accident stats what strikes me is that there is relatively little evidence of accidents resulting from bad training (for example, there is no evidence that the recent IV-P in CB crash resulted from a failure to observe the appropriate CB penetration procedures which, for all I know, were meticulously followed) there is a strikingly large body of evidence of crashes that would not have occured but for lapses in judgment. I am therefore all for training because of the marginal difference that it may make in case one of us finds him/herself in an emergency situation but I am dismayed when I read detailed analyses of how to deal with CB penetration that seem not to be accompanied by any indication that the first thing that went inexcusably wrong was being there in the first place. (I am left slack-jawed when I read a description of being "sucked" into a CB because there was a second and merging CB behind the first one. The Navy, with all its emphasis on training would never have accepted that as an excuse.) For me, the bottom line is simply this: we are being killed and our a/c are being wrecked primarily by errors in judgment. If we are willing to accept that errors in judgment will continue at their current alarming rate, then, as you point out, we need to do better on training because that it all we have left. My hope is that we don't have to accept the current rate of judgment errors and that all of the careful training that I hope, as you do, that we continue to do, will be necessary less often. I do want to comment on the "high performance" stuff. I started out flying Cherokee 140s and went from that to T-34s, T-2s, TF-9s, T-33s and TF102s. The latter were all considered high performance at the time but, compared to today's front line fighters, they are all camels. In terms of performance, my Legacy is somewhere between T-34 and T-2 but much closer to T-34. My take from this experience is that high performance is a relative term and that the only way in which high performance affects safety is when it applies to pilots who are not used to whatever the performance level is. In that sense, the high performance issue is a transition problem. But we are not seeing accidents, by and large, that result from transition issues. Some of the most experienced pilots (both generally and in Lancairs) have been involved in fatal Lancair accidents. In fact, I would guess that the statistics would show a higher risk among experienced high-performance Lancair pilots than among transitioners. What is true about Lancairs is that, in addition to being "high performance" relative to what many flew before transitioning to Lancairs, Lancairs are experimental and therefore do not benefit from either the level of standardization that applies to certified a/c or the level of testing required to obtain certification. What this means to me is that pushing the envelope is a riskier proposition in a Lancair than it is in, for example, a citabria, edge or other airplane that is more closely identical to hundreds of other a/c of the same type and in which it is likely that hundreds have already tried, and reported on, whatever you are trying. For this reason, while I would gladly go out any time and do a stall series in a 172, my experience in my Legacy consists of an approach to stall, done with Don Goetz on board as a part of initial flight testing. Even with ACM experience under my belt, I not only don't stall my Legacy, I don't come close at any time at which I am not within ten feet of a runway. It's not because the a/c is too high performance for me; it's because I don't know for sure what it will do and neither does anyone else. All I am trying to do is make a pitch for more focus on good judgment. Lancairs don't do well in CBs. Neither does any other a/c. The correct attitude in light of this fact is not to accept any significant risk of getting into one. Lancairs are substantially more unpretictable in stall than is the typical certified piston single. The correct attidude in light of this fact is not to accept any significant risk of an unintentional stall (and to be very careful about doing intentional stalls.) No a/c has reliable fuel indicators. The correct attitude is not to accept any significant risk of fuel exhaustion. If all this fails, we will have to fall back on our training and I hope that will help but I would much rather see a drastic reduction in opportunities to demonstrate the benefits of training than I would a new series of war stories about how training saved the day. Just one pilot's opinion.