X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:05:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from secure5.liveoakhosting.com ([64.49.254.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTPS id 931096 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 03 May 2005 12:37:14 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.49.254.21; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com Received: (qmail 32561 invoked by uid 2520); 3 May 2005 16:36:28 -0000 Received: from 216.107.97.170 by secure5.liveoakhosting.com (envelope-from , uid 2020) with qmail-scanner-1.25st (clamdscan: 0.83/762. perlscan: 1.25st. Clear:RC:0(216.107.97.170):. Processed in 0.090454 secs); 03 May 2005 16:36:28 -0000 Received: from 216-107-97-170.wan.networktel.net (HELO ?10.0.1.2?) (216.107.97.170) by secure5.liveoakhosting.com with SMTP; 3 May 2005 16:36:28 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Original-Message-Id: <0803c249eeda84a179ba66848dfc971e@advancedpilot.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Walter Atkinson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Hard Facts About Engine Break-In X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 11:36:26 -0500 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Gary: Well done! I would only add that mineral oil does break down at lower temperatures than the other oils. That could be a disadvantage during the high temp times of most break in periods. Basically, I feel like you hit the nail on the head. Walter On May 3, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Gary Casey wrote: The information I have comes from a number of experts in the field, most oil companies and engineers at GM and Mercury Marine. I hope they are facts and not, as Larry so aptly said, "..too early for the facts to be factual.." The narrative below contains a good number of ", indicating that the facts may not be factual at all. I'm not sure anyone knows precisely what happens during "break-in", but the idea is to wear off the peaks of the roughness mountains until the landscape looks more like mesas surrounding oil-holding canyons. Take too little off and the engine might continue to wear, take too much off and there might not be enough oil trapped in the surface. I sort of believe the above description. So-called "mineral" oil lubricates "better" that dispersant oil because the additives whose purpose is to keep contaminates in suspension are not good lubricators. The dispersant (detergent) additive takes up a significant portion of the oil. Presumably you need "good" oil during break-in to prevent galling (one mountain welds itself to a mountain on the mating part, pulling the mountain out by the roots, creating all sorts of mayhem). However, in the last 80 years the technology of cylinder and ring surface finishing has progressed to the point that it may not make much difference what oil is used. I definitely like Walter's method of running high power and lean in order to reduce the peak pressure and spread it out over more of the stroke. I'm sure the requirements from Lycoming are good intentioned, but...if you were the suspicious sort you could see a very strict break-in procedure as one way to protect the manufacturer from us ("burns oil? did you keep mineral oil in for exactly 40 hours? It was 39? Sorry, we can't help."). What incentive does Lycoming have to change their requirements? And finally, the auto industry has spent a lot of time and money perfecting surface finishes that eliminate the need for any special treatment during the break-in period. The automotive and aircraft people do talk to each other and the rings are made by the same people, so I suspect that strict break-in procedures might have outlived their usefulness. Except my engine is so expensive, it doesn't hurt...and so it goes. Gary Casey -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/