Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #29302
From: Bill&Sue <5zq@cox.net>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: ICE
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 00:00:25 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
  A while back, there was a lot of discussion about
>  how much space should be left between the control horn and the horizontal
>  stab.  The consensus was that you had to leave space to avoid ice building
>  up there, and jamming the controls.  What spacing do you have, and were you
>  aware of any control restriction during your incident?  It sounds as though
>  your situation was about as bad as it gets without disaster, so it would be
>  interesting to know if there were any control effects.

>  Jerry
 
 
 
Hello Jerry,
 
>  You did not mention whether there was any evidence of ice around the
>  elevator control horns.
Actually, in reply to Scott's questions yesterday, I did address this subject. I have included a copy of my reply below. I have very tight clearance between the elevator counter weights and the h stab, less than 1/8 inch.  I noticed no icing on the counterweights and no control "freezing". In my situation, if the "solution" to elevator freezing was to allow sufficient clearance for ice, I would have needed more than 1 1/2 inches since this is the amount of ice that accumulated on pretty much all exposed forward facing surfaces. Setting the h stab angle of incidence correctly so that the counter weights remain "fared" behind the h stab and so that the h stab and elevator are not fighting each other is, I believe, much more critical than allowing space for ice.
 
 
 
 
 
  1. Could you report on the tail plane icing?  I read the story of the prolonged climb with the ice locking control surfaces on the IV – Ice buildup on the under surfaces, too?  I have been concerned about the tail because of the sharp leading edges and the potential for building ice first.

The horned pattern ("horns" above and below the LE with a forward facing concave shape between them) was the same on the h stab as the wing. I was aware of the possibility of freezing the controls and kept moving them rapidly every 30 seconds or so. At no time did any of the controls freeze. My elevator counter weight is "faired" behind the h stab pretty well and, as far as I could tell accumulated no ice. One feature of the LNC2 that probably helped is the fact that there is not very much tail down force required to maintain level flight. This is one of the things that makes our planes so sensitive in pitch. In an icing situation, it probably helped prevent a tail plane stall. BTW I have the small tail.   

 

 

Bill Harrelson

5zq@cox.net

N5ZQ  320  950+ hrs

N6ZQ   IV    1%

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