Return-Path: Received: from [65.33.163.227] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.3c3) with HTTP id 829524 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:36:02 -0500 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: ICE To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.3c3 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:36:02 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050330054727.E0CA7164005@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050330054727.E0CA7164005@ws1-4.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for "Ron Galbraith" : I'd like to relate what I saw last Thursday night. I was working the midnight shift at the ARTCC, and about 1:00am, along came a BE36 at FL180. The weather had been IFR all day in the area, with lot's of icing reports. Suddenly he reported moderate clear ice, and requested a climb. I cleared him to FL200, then 220, then 240. I had asked him if he had de-ice equipment, and he said he did not. He climbed very very slowly (ground speed was only about 90KTS). Finally I convinced him to turn off course towards reported clear weather, but not without a bunch of suggestions. He did get into clear weather after another 20 minutes of flight, and shed the ice. Might seem as though no big deal right? Well, the kicker was that he was over some of the most rugged rocky terrain in the country, with at least a dozen 14000' plus peaks all around him. (The minimum IFR altitude was 17000' in that area) What is it with that "got to get there" attitude, and feel so invincible in the big bad bonanza. Guys, single engine IFR, at night, over the mountains is stupid, and every year several people die here in Colorado because of this. I will do everything in my power to help save you, but I should not have to be put into that situation. Now the guy in the bonanza feels like he's superman, and of course will do it again, and will probably die in the process. Just posted this to at least make you think twice. I see this kind of thing way too often. Bill's story is a scary one too, and he handled the situation well, but Bill is a very experienced airline pilot, and also has several hundred hours in his Lancair. Do you think YOU could handle it? Ron Galbraith LNCE - N5ES