Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:07:28 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from superman.pns.networktel.net ([216.83.236.232] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 752645 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:48:42 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.83.236.232; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com Received: from jor-l.pns.networktel.net (jor-l.pns.networktel.net [216.83.236.236]) by superman.pns.networktel.net (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j1LFlumP066896 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:47:56 GMT (envelope-from walter@advancedpilot.com) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (216-107-97-170.wan.networktel.net [216.107.97.170]) by jor-l.pns.networktel.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j1LFkVYM087091 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:46:41 GMT (envelope-from walter@advancedpilot.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Original-Message-Id: <083aa3291d46906410f4afaeab919c9e@advancedpilot.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Walter Atkinson Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FADEC Rough idle explanation X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:47:43 -0600 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-AntiVirus: checked by Vexira Milter 1.0.6; VAE 6.29.0.7; VDF 6.29.0.103 Gary: Those answers are commonly offered. Before George or I respond to them, any other thoughts from anyone else? Walter On Feb 21, 2005, at 9:00 AM, Gary Casey wrote: <: Want to try to define a list of what you think will be "better" and why with FADEC than it will be with a well managed conventional engine?>> I'm not an expert in Continental's version of FADEC, but I think if one looked at the generic possibilities of a "good" FADEC system it would go something like this: Hp ? - no difference as the spark timing of a conventional system is probably about right for best power and the mixture was set for cooling/detonation so nothing can be done there (not not always true). The Lycomings have a venturi that restricts the flow, so a speed-density system would have slight advantage there (up to 3%). BSFC ? - I think there would be an advantage to the FADEC, but only at high altitudes/low MAP when the standard system can't advance the spark. CHT ? - no significant difference that I can think of. Price ? - Any FADEC system will almost certainly cost more. Maybe quite a bit more. TBO ? - There might be no difference as while the electronics can be expected to last forever the injectors won't. The conventional system can be rebuilt any number of times. Weight ? - If a distributorless system is used the FADEC will almost certainly weigh more as multiple ignition coils probably weigh more than one. Other ? - The primary advantage of a FADEC system should be idle quality (title of present thread not withstanding) and starting, as well as reduced pilot workload. How important are those things? Gary Casey -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/lml/