Return-Path: Sender: "Marvin Kaye" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net ([167.206.5.69] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 751326 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:03:24 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=167.206.5.69; envelope-from=Adam@ValidationPartners.com Received: from ValidationPartners.com (ool-18bb9fce.dyn.optonline.net [24.187.159.206]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.25 (built Mar 3 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IC70084GTSAR1@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:02:38 -0500 (EST) X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:02:50 -0500 From: Adam Molny Subject: FADEC Rough idle explanation X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-id: <4218A69A.F398582B@ValidationPartners.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en-gb] (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: John - I took the TCM advanced engine training class last July. The instructor gave a very plausible explanation about the rough idle problem, and what they did to fix it. It seemed that the manifold pressure (MAP) sensors were seeing wide fluctuations in pressure at idle. The problem was exacerbated by lightweight props such as MT. They theorized that it was due to pressure pulses traveling back and forth within the tuned induction system at idle. The MAP sensor was getting inconsistent pressure readings from one crank rotation to the next. Their first effort was to modify the ECU software to sample the manifold pressure at a particular instant when the pressure was relatively stable. They eventually settled on the simpler solution of drilling a small hole in the throttle plate. This smoothed out the closed throttle airflow and solved the rough idle problem. I am a firm believer in the benefits of the FADEC system. However, I am just about at the end of my rope in trying to acquire one. I have been emailing and calling Mattituck, Aerosance, and TCM about getting a kit to upgrade my IO550-N7B. I can't even get anyone to return my calls, let alone give me a delivery date! I have a few more feelers out, and after that, I will reluctantly go back to mags and stock fuel injection. As a fallback, I plan to start looking at electronic ignitions such as Lightspeed. However, improving the spark timing without doing anything about the fuel injection is only half the battle. Does anyone know of any other EFI systems out there? Adam Molny Legacy #151 Installing rudder cables, teflon power everywhere! > > Subject: Re: [LML] TCM vs. Electrosystems Alternator > Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:19:02 -0500 > From: "John Schroeder" > > The problem has been the software and more specifically the idle > speed/performance of the IO-550. It has something to do with the mass of > the prop, but that is not the only cause IMHO. >