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|  |  | Posted for "George Braly" <gwbraly@gami.com>: 
 Jeff,
 
 Your comments are  thought provoking.   I guess it is possible I am just
 dreaming this up from foggy memory,  but I don't think so.
 
 I think I still have the old Chelton data download files around.  Not
 sure.
 
 From memory,  when we got the airplane,  the owner was operating it in
 the climb about like this:
 
 31" x 2500  x 28 to 3x gph with the TIT at about 1430-1460F
 
 He was using  a typical 165KIAS for cooling, and he had only
 about 600 to 700 fpm ROC.
 
 I verified this with some test flying.   You had to use the
 165KIAS or the temps soared!!!
 
 Hottest CHT was about 415 to 430F by the time you got to
 17,000 feet,  even using 165KIAS.
 
 When we finished modifying the system and fixing the fuel injector and
 fuel flow set up,  we were, again from memory,  climbing about like
 this:
 
 38-39" x 2700 x  45 to 46.5 gph.   TIT down about 1320 to
 1380F
 
 KIAS was about 145.   Hottest CHT  was about 380F in the
 climb.   ROC was around 2000 fpm.
 
 Now,  for a sanity check:
 
 A 3200 lb TN Bonanza at  120 knots and 300 Hp will climb
 1100 FPM to 17,000 feet on a std day .
 
 If you add an additional 50 Hp,  (up to 350 Hp)  that same
 3200 lb Bonanza will climb an additional 516 fpm faster, or around 1600
 FPM.
 
 Just using the TN Bo as a  "rationality check"   I I can't see why a
 3200 lb LIV with 350 Hp would not climb at least  1600 FPM,  and  maybe
 better  than that given the smaller airframe and  much lower drag
 issues.
 
 I do know the owner of the airplane,  after the
 modifications we installed,  began getting comments, complaints/
 altitude restrictions,  etc,   from ATC that he was sometimes climbing
 out of their airspace vertically,  in an unexpected manner,  due to his
 unexpectedly high ROC.
 
 But....hard data is hard data.
 
 One thing for sure,  climb is all about raw horsepower, prop
 efficiency,  and cooling!!!
 
 Regards,  George
 
 
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