Return-Path: Received: from [69.171.36.121] (account marv@lancaironline.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 4.2) with HTTP id 383119 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:52:30 -0400 From: "Marvin Kaye" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LOP vs ROP Baffle -Cooling - Fuel flow To: lml X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro WebUser Interface v.4.2 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 01:52:30 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Posted for Walter Atkinson : Scott: Please allow me to review the events as I remember experiencing them. The owner of the airplane George fixed did post his results. He explained what a huge difference it made in his airplane and suggested that anyone interested could contact GAMI about a referral for the fixes that literally transformed his airplane. I flew that airplane before and after the changes and the effects of those changes have not been exaggerated in the least. This owner had attended the APS class and knew what needed to be done based on what he learned there--correct the improperly baffled engine compartment AND the FF set-up. Quite frankly, his post was re-buffed here and a few members even were somewhat snide about what he paid for it, saying that they would just buy a cylinder every so often and continue to run the engine at the high temperatures it was running. I was very disappointed in that response at the time and chaulked it up to the generalized lack of understanding about the science of baffling among the pilot and mechanic community. As we have learned more on this list, we may have come to appreciate that in the long run, that might not be the best way to treat the engine. Cooler is better----by a lot--for more than a few reasons. GAMI is not in the business of baffle re-construction on Lancairs and could not afford to be fixing them instead of working on the many projects they are currently pursuing. Steve Martin of Martin Aviation went to Ada to spend time with George to learn the details of these changes to be able to fix Lancairs if members wanted help. The idea at the time was to have someone who was in the business of maintenance who had an above average understanding of these issues to be available to the Lancair community. That offer was made here. To date, no one responded to that offer. I have been very involved in baffle design and research with George for a number of years and, although the fixes are not frequently difficult, they can be quite counter-intuitive. BTW, the time and effort involved in this educational endeavor has involved a considerable amount of time and money and is not very easy to explain over a keyboard. Almost everything I learned as an A&P about baffles and cooling was woefully inadequate and some of it was down-right wrong. I find George's offer to take a Saturday of his very valuable time in offering a Lancair workshop to be very generous. His willingness to share this knowledge free of charge with this group to be an incredibly generous offering. In this time of the internet, more and more people seem to think that all intellectual property should be available to everyone with a computer--for free. In my opinion, George is exceptionally generous with the knowledge he has spent a lot of time and money to amass. This .02 worth of recollection and observation has been offered respectfully, Walter Atkinson Advanced Pilot Seminars