Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #24957
From: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fly-in details
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:22:23 -0400
To: <lml>



Posted for "David Lowry" <dave@edt.com>:

 Micah,
 I have been from Oregon to Denver a few times in a 182 (daughter in
 college).
 A few words about routes through the mountains.
 When flying east to west you may want to stay low to avoid the prevailing
 head winds.
 If you are in the afternoon there is a good chance of bad weather in the
 mountains.
 The lowest route up north is through Laramie WY, Rock Springs etc. We have
 always got through there when T storms were in the mountains.
 Not really very scenic unless oil fields, mines and alkali are a novelty
 but
 no shortage of emergency landing sites.
 If the weather is pushing you through the middle of CO the Monarch Pass
 route up the Arkansas valley past Florence, CO to Gunnison then Provo, UT
 does not put you over rough terrain for very long and is scenic. You get
 some headwinds
 as you clear the Pass but you don't have to stay up there very long.
 This route may take you over Range Creek (labeled on your sectional) north
 east
 of Carbon, UT. This is the location of the recently revealed puebleans(sp?)
 archeological
 sites. You can't see anything from the air except the canyon which is
 pretty
 dramatic.
 The best scenery is West of Denver. If you stay clear of Denver class B to
 the South
 and then head to Twin Falls, ID  you will pass over Rocky Mtn. Natl Park
 area.
 That is really rugged and may be best saved for the return. Last trip I was
 at FL190 and doing 180kts (not an ES remember) with a 60 knot tail wind.
 Don't expect a big welcome if you plan to transit the Denver Class B, my
 experience is they will push you down low until you get right up to the
 mtns.
 They also seem to have lots of large crowd TFRs in the summer and
 were kind of testy till I claimed ignorance of local landmarks (Coors
 Stadium?)
 then they gave me vectors.
 If you end up by Salt Lake they will let you stay high next to the mtns
 east of the city
 but you will have to fly south to north until you clear the class B. It is
 ok anyway
 cause west of the city is all restricted area and nearly always closed on
 weekdays.
 Once you get to Idaho fly over the Snake River valley to the Boise area and
 then
 direct to Redmond. This avoids all the restricted areas and the terrain
 does not get very high.
 It is a little rugged from Boise to Redmond but there are valleys and roads
 so
 I do not feel uncomfortable staying low. I usually avoid flying over the
 large
 lava fields (marked on sectionals). They look flat but don't even think of
 an emergency
 landing there.
 
 You will not get flight following unless you stay up where the winds are
 usually strong. Salt lake Center typically will not provide FF in the
 afternoons
 anyway. Seattle Center will try really hard to fit you in and maintain
 contact.
 
 Going home with good weather, fly high, go fast, get the big picture.
 If you get way up north, Jackson Hole is an interesting place. From the air
 it truly
 is in a hole with dramatic peaks all around.
 We landed there once due to T storms and they parked the 182 in a line
 of  GVs, GIVs, Falcons etc that diminished toward the horizon. I wish I had
 a picture.
 Stopping places:
 
 Check www.airnav.com for fuel stops. I have used many and most were
 helpful,
 had cars or places to eat nearby.
 Specific observations:
 Florence, CO had oxygen.
 Provo, UT had oxygen.
 Ft Bridger (WY or UT?) airport was like a ghost town. Open doors creaking
 on hinges
 in the wind and all. When we called the fuel number the women said her
 parents had
 gone to Hawaii and did not tell here where the keys were to the fuel truck.
 Lucky
 we had the gas to get to Evanston. This was 4 years ago or  so, it has got
 to be
 better but I won't try it unless someone tells me it is better.
 
 Watch your density altitude. It can be easily greater than 10k feet and put
 you
 usual site picture and "feel" for landing speed way out of wack. Your
 takeoff roll will be an eye opener as well though they usually have
 really long runways.
 
 Sorry for the long post but maybe others are flying in for the first time.
 
 
 
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