Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #23253
From: Denny <d.duello@www.mebbs.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: e-glass vs carbon fiber
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:00:02 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Dan,
 
Please tell us what you mean by, "designed to 50% of it's design limit", in your second paragraph .
 
Denny
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:11 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: e-glass vs carbon fiber

Hi Rob
 
Yes, that's true for materials like steel that have a yield so I should have stated that in the first place.  And yes, it is a simplistic example.  Carbon and glass both have pretty much a straight strain to failure so my example was only valid for that sort of material.  The elastic limits are also pretty much linear and close to 100% except at the extreme strain where some fibers start to fail individually or the matrix resin starts failing.  The only non-linearity is on the initial strain but once under load, the stress/strain is virtually a straight line.  One thing you can observe is that laminates with a high void content have a lot more little "burbs" along the plot since they tend to have microfracturing which can lead to failures particularly in cycling.  But those tend to be at the high end also. 
 
One rule that we had on a submarine I worked on was that the sub should be designed to 50% of it's design limit since compression is the worst case for composites since it is virtually unavoidable to prevent kinks.  And virtually all compression failures start at a kink in the fiber.  If we designed it too close, it would fail on the next dive even though outwardly there were no signs of failure.  We found that a microphone could pick up the sound of fiber/resin fracturing which turned out to be a good way to tell if you submarine was toast.  Since almost all resins shrink, it can't be helped (note there are some resins that have zero shrink but they are poor structurally).
 
You can find "Deep Flight" on a websearch if you're interested.
 
Dan
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