Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:38:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2942982 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:10:05 -0500 Received: from user-10bj3m3.cable.mindspring.com ([64.185.142.195] helo=hppav) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AjWAJ-0004oq-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:09:59 -0800 From: "Gliderguy89" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Bonding Plexiglas X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:10:35 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <000501c3e09d$b04b0660$6501a8c0@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3E073.C774FE60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3E073.C774FE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the gentle reminder Scott - understand that the demands on the the canopy can be very high. A reinforcing lay-up or mechanical fasteners on some designs is necessary to resist the force of pressurization. You might be surprised - the forces on the glider canopy can be quite high, but the force is mostly into the frame. Temperature variation can be greater than you would typically see on the LNC2 (64'F ground to <-20'F at 26,000') and the thin, differently expanding carbon frame presents some interesting mounting challenges. The adhesive system has to be very good with the transfer adhesive and bonding agent working together to assure a solid well sealed joint. Unfortunately I can tell you from personal experience that it is impossible to remove the polycarbonate without breaking and attacking it in small pieces. What is Lancair using for canopy bonding in the current kits, particularly the L4P aircraft. Rick Lafford Who's unfortunately stuck with spam cans right now. -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Sky2high@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:51 AM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Bonding Plexiglas In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:59:11 PM Central Standard Time, marv@lancaironline.net writes: The transfer tape allows the polycarbonate canopy to be removed from the frame if needed. Rick, Just a wee reminder - Gliders seldom exceed 200Kts, Lancairs regularly do. Pressurized Lancairs have exceptional forces on the windows, but even LNC2 drivers would prefer that the look through parts stay in place. My glass is "bonded" in with the 3M structural adhesive supplied with my 1989 kit (I don't remember the type) and has not been a problem as the plexiglass bonded surface was carefully sanded and cleaned -- A flox fillet and an ample 2 BID was applied over the joint. Scott Krueger Traveling via Lancair (Is there any other way?) ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C3E073.C774FE60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thanks for the gentle = reminder Scott -=20 understand that the demands on the the canopy can be very high. A=20 reinforcing lay-up or mechanical fasteners on some designs is necessary = to=20 resist the force of pressurization. You might be surprised - the forces = on the=20 glider canopy can be quite high, but the force is mostly into the frame. = Temperature variation can be greater than you would typically see on the = LNC2=20 (64'F ground to <-20'F at 26,000') and the thin, differently=20 expanding carbon frame presents some interesting mounting = challenges.=20 The adhesive system has to be very good with the transfer adhesive and = bonding=20 agent working together to assure a solid well sealed joint. = Unfortunately I can=20 tell you from personal experience that it is impossible to remove the=20 polycarbonate without breaking and attacking it in small pieces.=20 <g>
 
What is Lancair using for canopy = bonding in=20 the current kits, particularly the L4P aircraft.
 
Rick Lafford
Who's unfortunately stuck with = spam cans=20 right now.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair = Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 Sky2high@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:51=20 AM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: = Bonding=20 Plexiglas

In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:59:11 PM Central Standard Time,=20 marv@lancaironline.net writes:
The transfer tape allows the polycarbonate canopy = to
be=20 removed from the frame if needed.
Rick,
 
Just a wee reminder - Gliders seldom exceed 200Kts, Lancairs = regularly=20 do.  Pressurized Lancairs have exceptional forces on the windows, = but=20 even LNC2 drivers would prefer that the look through parts stay in=20 place.  My glass is "bonded" in with the 3M structural adhesive = supplied=20 with my 1989 kit (I don't remember the type) and has not been a = problem as the=20 plexiglass bonded surface was carefully sanded and cleaned -- A = flox=20 fillet and an ample 2 BID was applied over the joint.
 
Scott Krueger
Traveling via Lancair (Is there any other=20 way?)
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