Return-Path: Sender: (Marvin Kaye) To: lml Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 00:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [32.97.166.31] (HELO prserv.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1b8) with ESMTP id 2449142 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:31:40 -0400 Received: from b8p5r1 (slip-12-65-192-48.mis.prserv.net[12.65.192.48]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2003063002313720105otq0te>; Mon, 30 Jun 2003 02:31:37 +0000 From: "Larry Henney" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Legacy sequenced gear doors X-Original-Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 21:34:28 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <000001c33eb0$228343e0$30c0410c@b8p5r1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Adam, Very elegant. Cool and I want it. But....... Do I need it? >Key Assumption: During the initial retract phase, the doors are moving down at the same time the gear is moving up. Since the door cylinders are smaller diameter, the doors will move faster than the gear. Additionally, the doors are moving with gravity, while the gear is moving against it. Hydraulic fluid will take the path of least resistance, feeding the doors first, and only moving the gear when the door cylinders hit their stops and pressure builds up. I buy all this. Reasonable. Confirm with testing; then add a restrictor to the retract side of the main gear if you percieve any timing interference threats. >Disadvantage: Since the down switches are wired in series, a separate pair of switches must be used for the gear indicator lights. When carefully installed these microswitches are very reliable. Not a big drawback. The tough part for me would be to weigh the possible ground failure against the benefits. That is; if the pressure is released off the hyd's on the ground it's fathomable (albeit improbable) to find your plane sitting partially gear collapsed. The benefits sound like, less drag during gear down operation and less noise (with of course beauty being ancillary). One plus to having more drag during the landing phase is sitting on a higher power setting on final. This engine spool up provides a nice power band in the LNC2 at least. Additionally, when one pulls power to idle there is a nice deceleration (from the aero drag). Of course overheating would be the opposing argument. I'd imagine this is all irrelevant on a Legacy (not much drag or overheating from the doors). If I were building again, I'd just do it for elegance (it's very cool!); however, from an aviator and failure analysis view, I'd argue it's not such a good idea. I like a little pressure on my gear sitting on the ground (or by contrast; I'd rather not fly waiting for the solenoid to fail and open the inner gear doors at cruise speed). Ok, Ok, just thinking out loud here; Go with the loss of pressure upon shut down circuit. Then, add a manual valve which locks the pressure to the system (affectively overriding the loss of solenoid power issue). You could then close this valve just prior to killing the master. That way inflight solenoid failure would be a non issue and you'd have the super cool look while shut down on the ground. Or better yet.... Do more research on the solenoid valve. I'd imagine you could buy one that is not spring failing either way. That is, power it both ways. Then it would sit there in either position with no tendency to reverse upon depowering. Also, when the solenoid fails, normal freefall is still available. Good Luck and Let us Know, Larry Henney LNC2 IO-360 Ft Worth, TX Moving to Pecan :)