Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.2) with ESMTP id 1033714 for rob@logan.com; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:15:59 -0500 Received: from smtp.tscnet.net ([66.152.64.20]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:37:57 -0500 Received: from mail.tscnet.net (mail.tscnet.net [66.152.64.7]) by smtp.tscnet.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0V0qdY28833 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:52:39 -0800 Received: (qmail 21194 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2002 00:39:53 -0000 Received: from pou-1-10-52.tscnet.net (HELO c656256a) (66.152.73.52) by mail.tscnet.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 2002 00:39:52 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c1a9e7$eb0075e0$3e4ffea9@mshome.net> From: "Robert Smiley" To: References: <20020129061212.AAA6201@pop3.olsusa.com> <000001c1a99b$d3632640$af193e44@rocsth01.mi.comcast.net> Subject: Re: High speed vibration in a 360 Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 16:43:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Ed, Check your gear doors. Outback gear doors have a slight bulge, creating a negative pressure area. Normal doors might vibrate under certain circumstances. To identify where it possibly occurs you should jack up the plane, crawl underneath using a creeper, with hydraulic pressure off, raise one gear, prop it up in the retracted position with a wooden stick. Test the gear door by playing piano keys or typewriter pecking with your index fingers tap, tap tapping on my front door. Listen for reflected or bouncing sounds where the door may not be fully seated onto the 4 bid ledge. If you find the door is not properly seated see if adjusting the attachment link solves the problem. Sometimes it is to short thus squeezing the center of the gear door into the wheel well and the lower edge of the gear door stands away from the wing seat area. If after adjustment you have not solved the problem; use tongue depressors, heat gun and carefully heat the door edge to conform the door to the seated ledge. Take your time working one small area at a time. After that is done and you are satisfied then prop the door and gear up and then do likewise with the inner door the same way. Test with full hydraulic pressure to see if it is cured. Do the same with the other wheel well. I had the same problem with a seat of your pants vibration at cruise throttle descending at the fast speeds. The onset was sudden, prop pitch and/or rpm or power settings did not diminish the problem. The problem dissipated gradually as I slowed down. Changing prop pitch, power and rpm settings eliminates motor mount, harmonic problems. I finally took Don the Geotz with me and it happened that the noise dissappeared. I was excited because we were still flying and the circumstance changed. Upon inspection the aft bid ledge broke on the right outside gear door aft ledge. I repaired it and did the above reshaping technique and have eliminated the noise. I can now go to VNE no vibration. I cannot advise you to go to VNE unless and until you are absolutely sure the gear doors are the problem and that problem is solved. It gets pretty nervy pushing the envelope, especially with present vibrations. Good luck and let us know what you find out. Also you mentioned the canopy seal. Sometimes canopy seals vibrate although I don't know how you would feel that in the seat of your pants. Bob Smiley N94RJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>