Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b5) with ESMTP id 920284 for rob@logan.com; Mon, 08 Oct 2001 22:26:54 -0400 Received: from siaag1af.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.8]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:14:44 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag1af.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id WAA20209 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 22:24:58 -0400 From: Marvin Kaye <74740.231@compuserve.com> Subject: Spins Sender: Marvin Kaye <74740.231@compuserve.com> To: Lancair Mail List Message-ID: <200110082226_MC3-E2AD-AF3E@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Date: 08-Oct-01 08:20:02 MsgID: 879-59362 ToID: 74740,231 From: "Charles Kohler" >INTERNET:ckohler1@cfl.rr.com Subj: Spins During a checkout in a Lancair IVP, we were doing the "clean" approach to stalls at 8500 feet. This particular airplane did not have a pronounced warning prior to stall. The airplane was being held at altitude, airspeed was approximately 75 knots, and back pressure was released--and then noticing altitude was slipping, back pressure was re-applied to hold altitude. (A classic secondary stall) The airplane felt like it had been hit by a truck. Right wing dropped, left wing flew over the top. Full right rudder and full nose down elevator resulted in nose down (vertical). The airplane spun to the right -- in my best estimation, three turns per second. In my flying career, I have spun many smaller airplanes. I taught aerobatics in T-34's. This spin was tighter than any I've had. And I alternated rudder, aileron with no recognizable affect. Airspeed accelerated to approximately 230 IAS. The airplane slowed rotation and pulled out at approximately 2500 feet. Only damage was to egos and split leading-edge of the wing farings. Questions still remain. Why didn't opposite rudder accelerate the right wing and get it flying? Was the rudder blanked out by my aggressive forward elevator, to keep the nose low? Which is better? Solution: don't (full) stall the airplane! Solution: have plenty of warning when the airplane is nearing stall. P.S. this is not a fixed airspeed indication! Solution: Stall Strips. I've found quarter inch triangles mounted 18 inches outboard/ 12 inches long, give a appx. five knot warning. (They do not affect the stall speed itself) Solution: AOA indicator, installed-calibrated-and used properly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>