Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b4) with ESMTP id 890337 for rob@logan.com; Sat, 06 Oct 2001 07:00:59 -0400 Received: from siaag2ad.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.134]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:46:20 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.12) id WAA17774 for lancair.list@olsusa.com; Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:54:56 -0400 From: James Frantz Subject: Lancair Spins Sender: James Frantz To: "INTERNET:lancair.list@olsusa.com" Message-ID: <200110052255_MC3-E259-3A47@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>yes I know, it is not rated for this manuver, but has anybody intentionaly >or Inadvertently done a spin in the IV P, >if so, can you share the experiance< This is a fair question and requires some discussion. There are many articles in the Lancair Network News Archives regarding spins for both the IV and 320. In all cases, the altitude loss was excessive and the experience not one that the pilots wanted to repeat. None of the Lancair family of aircraft have been spin tested! As the former editor of the LNN, I had three conversations with Lancair pilots who inadvertently got into spins. All felt they were lucky to still be with us. We have lost forever quite a few Lancair pilots who for one reason or an other spun their aircraft into the ground. If you don't stall you can't spin!!! Perhaps you can start to understand why a stall warner is so important. The ultimate stall warner is the AOA with verbal warnings. For you folks installing the very capable Sierra Flight Systems, the pitch limit indicator (PLI) is not a stall warner nor was it intended to be! Additionally the PLI does not have an aural indication. Aural indications of an impending stall is a must. There is quite a lot of misunderstanding about the PLI among the Lancair group and the perception that it will act as a stall warner or AOA is mostly false. When I tested my Lancair 360, I did the stall series at forward CGs and light GWs and worked the CG back in increments increasing GW along the way. As a result of these stall tests, I moved the Lancair recommended aft CG limit one inch forward and installed the prototype to the AOA Pro II with aural stall and gear warnings. To Lancair's credit the Legacy comes with the AOA wing parts pre-installed. The Lancair Archives is available on a CD from Marv and is very easy to use. Do a search for "spins" using the Windows "Start", "Find files and folders" and all the LNN issues with spin information will be listed. Leave spins to the test pilot with a drag chute, a way to exit, no exclusion hull insurance, and a desire to build a second aircraft. And enjoy the performance of our fine machines. Jim Frantz LFrantz@compuserve.com (952) 474-4154 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>