Return-Path: Received: from mail.tsisp.com ([65.23.108.44] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2b8) with ESMTP-TLS id 320381 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:56:59 -0400 Received-SPF: error receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.23.108.44; envelope-from=steve@tsisp.com Received: from stevehome by mail.tsisp.com (Technical Support Inc.) with SMTP id CQA74584 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:56:26 -0400 Reply-To: From: "Steve Brooks" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] New Scoop Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 18:57:48 -0400 Message-ID: <027701c4692c$d1e1cc10$6400a8c0@WORKGROUP.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0278_01C4690B.4AD02C10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0278_01C4690B.4AD02C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ken Thanks for the reply. Actually the scoop will be supplying both the radiator and the oil cooler, so I may be a little small by those figures. Ed had sent me some CFM requirements earlier that seemed like I was in the ballpark maybe, but I’m not sure how he calculated the CFM’s for the inlet area. Steve -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of kenpowell@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:40 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] New Scoop Steve, As another data point we had a pro cooling system engineer who did some calculations for Mike Wills. Fred Morino calculated that for 160 HP at 180 MPH (I think this was the speed) that we (RV'ers) would need a rad intake of ~50 sq inches and an oil cooler intake of ~25 sq inches (does anyone still have Fred's results - I can't seem to find where I filed this paper - I fear it is on a computer that I junked). This always seemed a little large to me but you seem to be very close, so this should be a good starting point for your tuning. Ken Powell -------------- Original message -------------- > Ed, and others - > > Attached are some photos of the new scoop I'm building to replace my old new > scoop. As you can see the new one actually has less intake area, but > extends further in order to get outside of the boundary layer. > > I don't want the intake any larger than it has to be, but I want to make > sure also that it is sufficient to allow for enough air flow. My old new > scoop did improve cooling, but as I found out, it was only marginal. > > The new scoop, which is patterned after a P51 style scoop, not only gets > outside of the boundary layer air, but also excludes it, with the dam that > you see at the bottom. Well, actually it will be at the top, once it is > mounted under the belly. It also gives me an expansion area once inside the > scoop. > > Using the program that Al sent me, the boundary area calculated out to about > 1.625-1.75 inches +/- depending on speed. > > The scoop intake measures 10.75" inside at the top (narrowest) and 14.75" at > the widest point average = 12.75" > Height of the inside of the scoop measures 4.25" > This should equal about 54.18 sq in of area. > > The inside of the scoop sits exactly 2" from the bottom of the fuselage, and > overall height to the outside of the scoop is about 6.6" again, measured > from the fuselage bottom. > > I haven't glassed the scoop yet, other than on one side to help with gluing > it together. > > I am interested in any feedback concerning the size of the intake area. > > Regards, > > Steve Brooks > Cozy MKIV N75CZ > Turbo Rotary ------=_NextPart_000_0278_01C4690B.4AD02C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ke= n

Th= anks for the reply.  Actually the = scoop will be supplying both the radiator and the oil cooler, so I may be a little = small by those figures.  Ed had = sent me some CFM requirements earlier that seemed like I was in the ballpark = maybe, but I’m not sure how he calculated the CFM’s for the inlet = area.

 

St= eve

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of kenpowell@comcast.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, = 2004 5:40 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] New = Scoop

 

Steve,<= /p>

As another data point we had a = pro cooling system engineer who did some calculations for Mike Wills.  Fred = Morino calculated that for 160 HP at 180 MPH (I think this was the speed) that = we (RV'ers) would need a rad intake of ~50 sq inches and an oil cooler = intake of ~25 sq inches (does anyone still have Fred's results - I can't seem to = find where I filed this paper - I fear it is on a computer that I = junked).  This always seemed a little large to me but you seem to be very close, = so this should be a good starting point for your tuning.<= /p>

Ken Powell<= /p>

-------------- Original message --------------

> Ed, and others -
>
> Attached are some photos of the new scoop I'm building to replace = my old new
> scoop. As you can see the new one actually has less intake area, = but
> extends further in order to get outside of the boundary layer.
>
> I don't want the intake any larger than it has to be, but I want to = make
> sure also that it is sufficient to allow for enough air flow. My = old new
> scoop did improve cooling, but as I found out, it was only = marginal.
>
> The new scoop, which is patterned after a P51 style scoop, not only = gets
> outside of the boundary layer air, but also excludes it, with the = dam that
> you see at the bottom. Well, actually it will be at the top, once = it is
> mounted under the belly. It also gives me an expansion area once = inside the
> scoop.
>
> Using the program that Al sent me, the boundary area calculated out = to about
> 1.625-1.75 inches +/- depending on speed.
>
> The scoop intake measures 10.75" inside at the top (narrowest) = and 14.75" at
> the widest point average =3D 12.75"
> Height of the inside of the scoop measures 4.25"
> This should equal about 54.18 sq in of area.
>
> The inside of the scoop sits exactly 2" from the bottom of the fuselage, and
> overall height to the outside of the scoop is about 6.6" = again, measured
> from the fuselage bottom.
>
> I haven't glassed the scoop yet, other than on one side to help = with gluing
> it together.
>
> I am interested in any feedback concerning the size of the intake = area.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Brooks
> Cozy MKIV N75CZ
> Turbo Rotary

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