Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #8994
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Average vs Instanteous Power was Re: LS1 Coils - amp draw?
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 16:16:08 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Al, not Tracy, but I think what Tracy is saying that in the milliseconds or so it takes the EC2 to calculate the proper coil dwell time it is possible for a coil(s) to draw up to 9 amps (or perhaps even 27 amps in your case).   The instantaneous power in that case  would be 27*12 = 324 watts IF that current drain remained for as much as 1 second (actually probably less because when cranking you probably would not have more than 10 volts).  However, I believe the duration of that surge is much shorter duration.  IF I am correct then I suspect your 16 gauge wire is more than adequate because of the very short time interval in which this happens (I'm guessing that situation does not last for even 100 milliseconds, Tracy??). 

 

 If that is the case then the power (which is what we are really concerned about) per second would be 1/10*27*12 = 32.4 watts average power consumed during that time.  The very conservative Power transmission (bundled) for 16 gauge is 3.7 amps x 12 volts = 44.4 watts. Therefore, IF the surge is l00 milliseconds duration or less then it would appear you wiring is more than adquate. Now if the surge condition can actually last for as long a second then its a different story.

 

Ed

 

Ed;

You’ve got that right, but I guess I wasn’t really clear on what my concern is.  I’m not necessarily worried about the #16 wire being seriously overheated by the draws of the coils.  I’m worried about being able to safely protect that circuit against a different failure – like a short – and not have a condition that will continue to blow the appropriately sized fuse, or trip a breaker. 

 

On the broader view, I think a potential spike of close to 70 amps on my engine critical bus is not acceptable; so I think we need to hear from Tracy before carrying this any further, and see that we are not off the track here.  And I don’t want to be redesigning my electrical system at this point.

 

In my particular case; the engine critical leads are protected by fuses; for the reasons John paraphrased from Bob Nuchols; but also for maximum reliability.  The power to my breaker buses goes through the master switch solenoid.  Go directly from the battery(ies) to the engine critical bus and eliminate a couple of single point failure modes.  My search for data led me to conclude that MTBF for properly sized fuses is greater than for CBs.  I wouldn’t try to convince anyone that one way is better than another; just that my logic lead me to this approach.  I would assert; however, that there should not be a circuit in my airplane; unless it is one wire all by itself that could not damage anything else if it melted, that is not suitably protected against a possible short circuit.  Not having protection in the engine critical circuits, or having one breaker for all the circuits doesn’t might that criteria.  So there is a fuse for each circuit; pump, leading ign, trailing ign, primary injectors and secondary injectors.

 

Al

 

 

I agree, Al.  Always better to make decision like this based on real information rather than spectulation or back-of-the-envelope scratchings.

 

 

Ed

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